Before Big Bang God or Singularity

You mean just like when people ask who created god?Cause I'm tired of seeing that one too.

Why don't (can't) you show evidence that you are right?

I can assume that anything is true for the sake of arguing If fact, you can just phrase your argument as: If X is assumed to be true, then Y.And then you don't even have to ask for my agreement to move the argument forward. If I don't agree with your assumptions then I can still address your agument, or I can address why your premises are false.But anyways.... They did not have existance as they are now, but what they came from was not a total lack of anything, meaning that they did not come from nothing. Like I said, the Big Bang is not creation ex nihilo...Also: Is more accurately read, according to the hebrew, as:

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In the beginning, when god was creating the heaven and the earth...

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Not that it happened at some instant in the past.

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Science fails to recognize the single most potent element of human existence.
Letting the reigns go to the unfolding is faith, faith, faith, faith.
Science has failed our world.
Science has failed our Mother Earth.
-System of a Down, "Science"He who makes a beast out of himself, gets rid of the pain of being a man.
-Avenged Sevenfold, "Bat Country"

FYI, actually, I think he's an old fart (no offense to anyone), like almost 70 years old. But his behavior is the same, you're correct.

Awe shucks, thanks! I'm on my way... I know that I have a lot to learn of those arts. What kind of beer should I bring?

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Sarcasm is hard to spot, ya know... And since your participation is sporadic, I really did think that you thought that ICANT was a teenager. He seemed like it to me when I first met him.

Man, I would really like to visit the UK someday... yeah, he does the same thing with the Bible.... I think its a n00b issue with the lack of humility, even though he's not all that new anymore.But humility seems to be proportional to participation, so there hope that one of these days he'll "grow up".

As has been explained, there is no such thin as before the Big Bang.The things Prof. Hawking is writing about, singularities, are not necessarily "The Singularity" that is refered to as the Big Bang. In other words, the Big Bang was a singularity, but not all singularies are the Big Bang.When Prof. Hawking is talking about black holes' gravity curving up space time into a singularity, he is not talking about the things that happend prior to the Big Bang.But to directly answer your questions: Yes, they were both there. They always were.

If there is not a point in time when they did not exist then they do not have an origin, by definition.

Hey Son Goku,Thanks for the insight. I just have one discrepancy... They're windshields.

The Big Bang didn't create spacetime. Spacetime was in existence, as the singularity, and then it started expanding. This expansion is referred to as the Big Bang.

No, not necessarily. How many times do people have to tell you that you're wrong about something before you stop repeating it?Here is an alternate theory to the Big Bang. In this theory, the universe was not created and it did not come from nothing. Here is the animation of the energence.So can you stop saying that those are the only two possibilities now?I'm guessing not since it will get in the way of you beliefs

Not if they've existed forever....The point is that our Universe could have came from somthing that was a non-universe and that it did have to come from the absence of anything.

But its not.

There you go thinking again....

I think the best correction for your thinking is for it to stop. Please do. It will save a lot of wasted time on you.You're not going to budge. You're just going to repeat the same old nonsense that is required for you to maintain your beliefs. There is no point in time at which the Universe did not exist because time is a part of the Universe and does not exist without it.