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Topic: Biblical contradictions II
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Asgara
Member (Idle past 2332 days) Posts: 1783 From: Wisconsin, USA Joined: 05-10-2003
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Mike, Then what was the purpose of the tree of knowledge of good and evil? ------------------ Asgara "An unexamined life is not worth living" Socrates via Plato
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Asgara
Member (Idle past 2332 days) Posts: 1783 From: Wisconsin, USA Joined: 05-10-2003
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Mike, I don't see where you've put anyone "right" about the tree of life... And you definately haven't shown that god didn't lie. FACT 1 - earlier god had threatened them with death that very day FACT 2 - the "serpent" said that god lied, they wouldn't die that day but would "become as god knowing good and evil" FACT 3 - they didn't die that day FACT 4 - god says "they have become as one of us, knowing good and evil" How this proves that god didn't lie is beyond me. ------------------ Asgara "An unexamined life is not worth living" Socrates via Plato
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Asgara
Member (Idle past 2332 days) Posts: 1783 From: Wisconsin, USA Joined: 05-10-2003
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'And you definately haven't shown that god didn't lie. ' I HAVE, you see they did die that day, they started to age that day and what I qouted proves , yes proves God was true in his intentions, as he took them away from the tree of life. Look your not going to win this one because. 1. They did die eventually and as soon as they took the fruit it started. 2. I have more than shown you how the text says the serpant did not have good intentions. 3. In the end they should have obeyed God and they would have stayed in Eden and not suffered or be miserable or die.The serpant made out "beguiling" I qoute that it would be a good move! If you read the message I qouted , I think I have done okay in explaining this. Mike, Mike, Mike... 1. since they hadn't yet eaten of the tree of life....they were going to age and die, as all life does. (future, unstated, intensions do not count - read: interpretations) 2. I never said the serpent had good or bad intensions, you are not responding to anything I have said. I said the serpent did not lie. 3. once again, obeying a law, implies a knowledge of right and wrong, something they did not have at the time. The only person you have "done okay in explaining this" to, is yourself. If you had done okay, you'd think that some of us here would be conceding your point. (contrary to popular opinion, the non-literalists here do admit to being wrong, literalists just want them to do it with no evidence) ------------------ Asgara "An unexamined life is not worth living" Socrates via Plato
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Asgara
Member (Idle past 2332 days) Posts: 1783 From: Wisconsin, USA Joined: 05-10-2003
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Re: God lied?
Theologian63, Try these on for size...
1 Kings 22:23 "So now the LORD has put a lying spirit in the mouths of all these prophets of yours. The LORD has decreed disaster for you." 2 Thes 2:11 And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie: 12 That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness Eze 14:9 And if the prophet be deceived when he hath spoken a thing, I the LORD have deceived that prophet, and I will stretch out my hand upon him, and will destroy him from the midst of my people Israel. [This message has been edited by Asgara, 07-25-2003]
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Asgara
Member (Idle past 2332 days) Posts: 1783 From: Wisconsin, USA Joined: 05-10-2003
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Re: God lied?
Hi DocB, I don't know if editing a post takes it off the reply list or not, maybe one of our illustrious leaders can answer that. I don't think it matters though, I'll bet Theologian is going to be a hit and run poster. ------------------ Asgara "An unexamined life is not worth living" Socrates via Plato {NOTE from Adminnemooseus - That list has the most recent message from each topic the poster participated in. The message in question is NOT Theologian's most recent message in that topic.} [This message has been edited by Adminnemooseus, 07-26-2003]
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Asgara
Member (Idle past 2332 days) Posts: 1783 From: Wisconsin, USA Joined: 05-10-2003
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Re: God lied?
Gee DocB, Do you think Theo will be back to answer any of our replies? I was laughing so hard at his first post. How sanctimonious can you get to come onto a thread with over 60 posts and reply to the second one about no evidence? Oh well... ------------------ Asgara "An unexamined life is not worth living" Socrates via Plato
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Asgara
Member (Idle past 2332 days) Posts: 1783 From: Wisconsin, USA Joined: 05-10-2003
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Message 127 of 307 (47810)
07-29-2003 12:45 AM
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Reply to: Message 126 by Newborn
07-29-2003 12:23 AM
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Hi Newborn, I'm sorry, but your post 323 in the other thread doesn't make much sense. As for the post I'm replying to...
If you read the message you will see that Gods desire was that man would eat from the Tree of Life but not Adam himself It begs the questions...then what was the purpose of the tree of knowledge of good and evil?
This can be understanded using General Relativity.Abrahams sons were the chosen ones. What does general relativity have to do with this?
serpent(that was POSSESSED by Satan) book, chapter, and verse?
Have the Knowledge of Good and Evil=Being dead spiritually Ok? book, chapter, and verse? ------------------ Asgara "An unexamined life is not worth living" Socrates via Plato
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Asgara
Member (Idle past 2332 days) Posts: 1783 From: Wisconsin, USA Joined: 05-10-2003
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Message 135 of 307 (47942)
07-29-2003 11:02 PM
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Reply to: Message 133 by Newborn
07-29-2003 10:41 PM
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Ok.I HAVE SAID THAT before the fall there were no death but after there is.Dont we SEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE death in our days? .Go to a cemetery please.Did you see in the cemetery that God didnt lie? Newborn, I'm not going to reply to your part about a previous message in another thread, because it wasn't addressed to me. But I will say that you obviously don't read all the threads either. The question isn't if people die now, it is "Where in Genesis does it say that they were not going to die then?" Since they had not yet eaten of the tree of life, obviously they were going to die. God was terrified that they would eat of the tree of life and become immortal.
Somewhere in the epistles there are a reference of Satan deceiving Eve. If you are talking about 1 Tim 2:14, it just says that Eve was deceived, not who supposedly did it. (it hasn't been shown yet that Eve WAS deceived)
For the other user i have to say that people who receive Jesus by faith understand the spiritual things but the other ones needs scientifical explanations if they cant achieve it by faith(Jesus said that these ones are not well-ventured).For example Thomas had not faith and Jesus had to show his hands to him Yes, it's easy to say that if you already believe then it's easy to believe. The problem with your example is that in it Jesus DID show Thomas. Nothing has been shown to me, I don't know about anyone else here. The scientifical (sic) explanations lead in the opposite direction. ------------------ Asgara "An unexamined life is not worth living" Socrates via Plato
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Asgara
Member (Idle past 2332 days) Posts: 1783 From: Wisconsin, USA Joined: 05-10-2003
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Message 138 of 307 (49028)
08-06-2003 10:37 PM
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Reply to: Message 137 by Newborn
08-06-2003 10:32 PM
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Newborn, It doesn't seem to me any more incredulous to believe in a talking snake than to believe in most things in Genesis. ------------------ Asgara "An unexamined life is not worth living" Socrates via Plato
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Asgara
Member (Idle past 2332 days) Posts: 1783 From: Wisconsin, USA Joined: 05-10-2003
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Re: God lied?
Hi Theologian, Glad you made it back here. First of all, I agree...this is a semantic debate. Fundamentalist Christians claim a literal reading of the Bible. Yet when a detracter literally reads a portion of this same bible, the fundamentalist starts making interpretations. It all comes down to semantics... As for your claim that if I'm not using the KJV I am using corrupted text...the KJV was written using existing English translation Bibles such as Tyndale's, Wycliffe's, Coverdale's, the Geneva Bible, and including two revisions of the Bishop's Bible. The men working on this "translation" were also told that readability and literary merit were at least as important as accuracy in scholarship. How this makes the KJV any less "corrupt" than others is very much in question. Your comment about God not "directly" lying is laughable. I guess than that people who hire an assassin to kill someone aren't guilty of anything either. They didn't actually kill anyone did they? So yes, I guess we DO know who is contorting scripture.  Contorting, adding to, twisting and definately NOT reading literally. ------------------ Asgara "An unexamined life is not worth living" Socrates via Plato
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