Biblical contradictions II

Asgara,
Where do you get off stating that God lied? If you are going to have an INTELLIGENT response then you should back up your thought with some evidence. Adam and Eve DID die. They started dying the moment they took the fruit. They were meant to live forever but at the moment they ate the fruit, they began to become mortal and all of creation fell into that state as well. Genesis DOESN'T need to state that they died spiritually. If you read Romans 5:12 you will see that death has come upon us because of Adam's sin. We die not only physically but also spiritually, we are separated from God. Since you are not a believer you will not understand this point. If you are a believer then you should repent of saying that God is a liar. God CANNOT lie. I would hate to be in your shoes.------------------
"Thy word is truth"

Give me a CHALLENGE. LOL Titus 1:2 "In hope of eternal life which God, THAT CANNOT LIE(my caps) promised before the world began." Another is Hebrews 6:18 if you find one scripture is not enough. If that is a "run for my money, I would like a refund. LOL------------------
"Thy word is truth"

Culverin,
I'm in your corner. ------------------
"Thy word is truth"

Asgara,
I will give you that I have NOT read the whole thread but I don't believe I need to. You guys are getting hung up on semantics. You ASSUME that the phrase "thou shalt surely die" means PHYSICAL death THEN AND THERE. Death is but a door to another life. Our souls live forever and our bodies cease to house the soul when our bodies stop functioning. Studies have been done at the moment of death and they have shown that the soul IS present in a body and at death the body is a few ounces lighter. Logic would dictate that the soul was what weighed those few ounces. Physical death is only a door to this afterlife. Spiritual death is separation from the presence of GOd.
As far as your ATTEMPT at using the scriptures to prove your point, NOT ONE of those references said that God lied. "Putting a lying spirit in someone" is NOT the same as saying the lie yourself. Whose contorting scripture now? You can deceive someone without SAYING a lie. Just because Adam and Eve didn't keel over on the spot after eating the fruit doesn't mean God lied. BTW, IF you are quoting from a version other the KJV you are using a corrupted text(another topic for discussion) and only God and Satan know how much corruption is in those.
The serpent in Genesis 3 ALLOWED Satan to enter it and THAT is why God cursed the serpent(serpEnt not serpAnt). How is a creature that is in a state of perfection like Eden going to concoct a scheme like that of Genesis 3 on its own? There HAD to be some outside force. Who put these thoughts into the mind of the serpent? Why would a created, living thing just decide one day to doubt it's creator? Are you saying the serpent had an intellect? God used a donkey to talk to Balaam so talking animals are not unheard of in the bible. HOWEVER, an outside force gave the animals the words to say. When God cursed the serpent He said, "..I will put enmity between thee and the woman, and between thy seed and her seed; it ( the woman's seed)shall bruise thy head and thou shalt bruise his heel." Whose heel? Why did God switch from "it" to "his"? "His" refers to Jesus. Was a snake/serpent going to bruise the heel of Jesus? NO where in the bible does it say that Jesus was ever near a snake. What does that prophecy mean? Who was God talking to? Maybe He was talking to the one who possessed the serpent.AND I am NOT Jaz or Culverian or any other alternate. I reside in South Korea and have only been in this forum a few weeks.Please forgive any typos. My skills are not that great.
"On Christ the Solid Rock I stand, all other ground is sinking sand."

Finaly, if satan posessed that one snake, then why did God curse all snakes?What you are not seeing is the fact that your belifes are your interpretations, and arent necissarly what is written in the book. You are looking at the book in a certain way that, while valid, is not the only way to look at it.As a matter of fact, those who hold views oposit to yours, are actually being more literal than you are as they are interpretting the texts as the words read.God cursed all snakes because the serpent allowed itself to be used by Satan. Genesis 3:14 says "Because thou (the serpent) has done this, thou art cursed....." Many scholars believe the serpent walked upright in the beginning but God cursed it to crawl in the dust.What you are not seeing is the fact that your belifes are your interpretations DUH!!!! Sorry, I had to say it. See my post to Asgara to know as to why I believe the serpent allowed Satan into it.

Yaro,
What version are you quoting? I have NEVER seen the scripture in Genesis 2 say "you will die this very day." I just checked the NIV, RSV, NEB, NKJV and the LB and they ALL say "In the day." not "right here, right now" or "this very day." Nice try.

"Perhaps because it wasn't a scheme at all. The serpent was simply telling the truth. Note that the serpent does not tell Eve to eat from the tree."Telling the truth? What do you base this on? "Yea hath God said," starts doubting God or contradicting Him from the onset. Why would a created thing just one day decide to doubt God and create doubt in the mind of Eve? The serpent didn't tell Eve to eat the fruit because it was a choice of free will.AS for Genesis not saying it was Satan- No kidding Sherlock. Since you are a non-believer you will NOT agree. See II Corinthians 4:4 to know why. Revelation calls Satan the serpent, a little "s" just like Genesis 3. see:Rev. 12:9 and 20:2.WOW! You have a copy of the original Hebrew? I'm impressed. The Sinaiaticus, Vaticanus and Alexandranus manuscripts are all corrupted
by Gnosticism and Origen and take way from the blood atonement of Christ, His Deity and many other doctrines. BTW, they only make up 1% of the family of manuscripts. I'm no lightweight when it comes to Textual criticism.
"Let God be true but every man a liar."
"Sanctify them buy thy truth, thy word is truth."

"Why is your interpretation better than mine?"
I compare scripture with scripture. That's how it is supposed to be done. I'm not denying WHAT the scripture says. I HAVE the KJV right next to me. It's ALL I use. I have been reading it for over 35 years. The KJV, not this particular bible. LOL Some things in the Bible are to be taken literally while others are figurative or have a deeper meaning than what is first read. Why couldn't it mean "begin to die"? Anyone who can read knows Adam and Eve lived many years after that, in fact, Adam was the second oldest person in the Bible, next to Methusaleh. So, either God lied or we don't understand the true meaning behind "thou shalt surely die." I choose to believe the latter. If God lied He is a sinner and is in need of redemption and needs to accept His Son Jesus as His savior. Not only that but He will eventually end up in the lake of fire along with YOU. "But the fearful and unbelieving (YOU),...and all liars shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone..." God in Hell? I think not! If you don't want to burn, TURN! Turn from your unbelief and accept Jesus as your Saviour.

"the KJV was written using existing English translation Bibles such as Tyndale's, Wycliffe's, Coverdale's, the Geneva Bible, and including two revisions of the Bishop's Bible. The men working on this "translation" were also told that readability and literary merit were at least as important as accuracy in scholarship. How this makes the KJV any less "corrupt" than others is very much in question."Thanks for the bible history lesson. These versions were translated from the TR, the most accurate of the Greek texts and the Mesoretic Hebrew, but you know that, right? As far as the corruption, why do you assume it is so? These versions were true to the TR just like the KJV. What source are you quoting here "The men working on this "translation" were also told that readability and literary merit were at least as important as accuracy in scholarship." Since you have so often called this lack of substantiation to my attention I now put the ball in your court. "Touche" as they say in France.God putting a lying spirit into someone could very well be a demonic spirit. Since HE is all powerful, there is nothing in His nature that HE cannot do. Remember, YOU, used these verses to support your idea of God lying, not me.

The KJV is translated from the Textus Receptus and Mesoretic Hebrew. The originals were written in Koine Greek so even th unlearned could know of God's word. The other manuscripts were writen in Uncials and classical Greek. Whose naive now?The serpent is the name given to the Devil, as you quoted from Revelation. BTW, how did the serpent know what GOd said to Adam and Eve? If the serpent was not possessed by Satan, where did he get his information?

YOu can assume anything you want. God gave you that right but Paul, under inspiration from the Holy Spririt, talks about sin entering into the world because of Adam (see Rom. 5:12) and Paul says that the woman (Eve)was in the transgression 1 Tim. 2:14. If Genesis is figurative, PAul is a liar too and then God AGAIN becomes a liar since the Holy Sprit is also God and HE inspired holy men to write the scriptures. II Timothy 3:16 and that includes Paul.

FYI, Paul wrote I and II Timothy NOT Timothy. Yes, I believe an old man thousand of years ago was inspired by God to write books of the bible and in doing so he COULDN'T lie. Remember II Timothy 3:16? "ALL scripture is given by inspiration of God...
I would like to see the verses where Paul says "Funky and weird things about slaves and women." He tells husbands to love their wives in Ephesians 5:25 JUST as Christ loved the church and died for it. YEAH, that's real funky. AND just before that he tells the wives to be in submission to their husbands. Now THAT's REAL funky especially in liberal, humanistic America where the women are running the homes.
The scriptures are NOT interpretations. God told the writers what to say. II Timothy 3:16 Did you read it? How about II Peter 1;19-20?

If you recall I said ORIGINAL HEBREW. How is that a corrupt version? You are only hearing what you want to hear or in this case, read. Granted the KJV translators used other versions to check the translation but the TEXT was TR. You have to understand the level of knowledge the scholars had. One translater, John Bois, knew Greek,Latin, Hebrew, Aramaic and several other languges FLUENTLY. King James got the BEST translators around to work on the AV.BTW, you are imposing YOUR opinion upon the text too. Since Adam and Eve didn't drop dead on the spot, you naturally assume God is a liar. To that I say BWAA-HA-HA.You fail to convince me that the prophecy in Genesis 3:15 is for mankind. Mankind is called it, the seed of the woman, but "his" is a personal pronoun for ONE person. The Jews DIDN'T exist at that time so your rejection of Christ as the Messiah argument is fallible. Do you know what Jew means? Many people prior to the birth of Jesus looked for the Messiah. It wasn't UNTIL HE was born that they rejected him. AND MANY Jews accepted Him as the Annointed One.

Who said anything about master-slave? I was talking about God intended for the man to be the leader and the woman to an "help meet"
You get much exercise jumping to conclusions.

Yaro,
Please keep my responses in context. You are taking them from responses to other people. You are getting only part of the conversation. Read the WHOLE post and not just portions of it.