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doctrbill Member (Idle past 2795 days) Posts: 1174 From: Eugene, Oregon, USA Joined: |
PaulK writes:
Opposed to man, not God: The way I've heard it, in Jewish belief Satan is opposed to Man, not God. If I remember correctly one way it was expressed was that Satan was the angel who reminded God of the faults of Man. Another compared him to a "prosecuting attorney"
Prosecuting attorney:
db ------------------Does anyone graduate Sunday School?
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doctrbill Member (Idle past 2795 days) Posts: 1174 From: Eugene, Oregon, USA Joined: |
truthlover writes:
It's a very old story, and similar to a Sumerian myth about a serpent who gives trouble to women. In that culture, and in the early Hebrew culture which, in part, evolved from it, the gods were not so noble as we think of them today (Witness the story of Job). I suspect the story itself evolved, but there remains evidence of a group of creator gods who aren't quite honest and above board with the mortals in their charge.
He might not look like the bad guy to the westerner who's considering it, but he's the bad guy to the story teller. I'm certain the Jews saw him as satan, because Paul and the John who wrote the Revelation were, after all, Jews.
This may be true, but we must consider that their brand of Judaism was revolutionary, and much of it considered heresy by Temple authorities of the time. db ------------------Does anyone graduate Sunday School? [This message has been edited by doctrbill, 07-24-2003]
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doctrbill Member (Idle past 2795 days) Posts: 1174 From: Eugene, Oregon, USA Joined: |
Theologian63 writes:
Chapter and verse please. God CANNOT lie. You are about to be given a run for your money. db ------------------Does anyone graduate Sunday School?
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doctrbill Member (Idle past 2795 days) Posts: 1174 From: Eugene, Oregon, USA Joined: |
PaulK writes:
Let me take a stab at this Paul. I am not sure why you say that the author was Jewish. The early church was mainly composed of people who considered themselves Jewish. The author of Apocalypse relies heavily on Jewish scripture, quoting it profusely, and arguing in favor of Jesus being the Messiah. And, he is conversant with the political and religious metaphors utilized in Old Testament prophecy. I find it hard to imagine him being anyone who wasn't steeped in Judaica for a long time. If we are going to have to guess at the authorship, I think the smart money would be on "Jewish." db ------------------Does anyone graduate Sunday School?
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doctrbill Member (Idle past 2795 days) Posts: 1174 From: Eugene, Oregon, USA Joined: |
Theologian 63 writes:
Patience, my good man. If that is a "run for my money, I would like a refund. LOL db ------------------Does anyone graduate Sunday School?
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doctrbill Member (Idle past 2795 days) Posts: 1174 From: Eugene, Oregon, USA Joined: |
Hi Asgara,
Great collection of verses. I just checked theologian63's message index and it seems that he has not been notified of your response. Could that be because you have edited it? db ------------------Doesn't anyone graduate Sunday School?
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doctrbill Member (Idle past 2795 days) Posts: 1174 From: Eugene, Oregon, USA Joined: |
theologian63 writes:
An intelligent reply awaits you. No Refund Give me a CHALLENGE. LOL Titus 1:2 "In hope of eternal life which God, THAT CANNOT LIE(my caps) promised before the world began." Another is Hebrews 6:18 if you find one scripture is not enough. If that is a "run for my money, I would like a refund. LOL db ------------------Doesn't anyone graduate Sunday School?
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doctrbill Member (Idle past 2795 days) Posts: 1174 From: Eugene, Oregon, USA Joined: |
Asgara writes:
As, apparently, was Culverin. I had a suspicion, from the moment they both appeared almost simultaneously, they might be one and the same interloper. I'll bet Theologian is going to be a hit and run poster. Now that they have both apparently disappeared, apparently simultaneously; my suspicions seem to be confirmed. What a circus! It must be tough for some of these guys. They might want to apply their intellects to these questions, but in doing so may risk what meager retirement awaits them as clergymen, or religious teachers. I got booted early, so I'm a lucky one. I can think what I want without risking my financial future. God be with you Theo/Culverin, wherever you are. db ------------------Doesn't anyone graduate Sunday School? {NOTE from Adminnemooseus - They did join the same day, but their IP numbers are different. There is no hard evidence I am aware of, that "Theo/Culverin" is the same person. That said, I am aware of 2 instances of the same person being registered under 2 or more names - but those people are not posting under more than 1 name.} [This message has been edited by Adminnemooseus, 07-26-2003]
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doctrbill Member (Idle past 2795 days) Posts: 1174 From: Eugene, Oregon, USA Joined: |
Sure glad you chimed in when you did. I didn't want to bother with his challenge but did enjoy announcing his upcoming difficulty. Wasn't sure he would consider the OT evidence valid anyway. Seems a lot of fundies don't like the OT very much. They take the parts that conveniently support their views and try to find a way to discount the rest. I suppose we all treat the Bible that way to some extent. I'm sure I do. Some subjects are too advanced, or too complex, for easy debate. Few scholars appear among the fundies and those who do pass quickly into the outlands of skepticism. I expect that some of our opponents are already on their way out of that darkness.
If any of those are reading this: The Unitarian Universalist Association of Congregations provides great fellowship for persons who still feel religious but can no longer believe what their mother taught them. Even atheists can be ordained ministers in this Church. It was a popular church for many of our founding fathers, I can tell you from experience, they're a pretty cool bunch; the Unitarians I mean; not that the founding father's weren't cool you understand. Unitarian Universalist Association | UUA.org This has been an unpaid advertisement! db ------------------Doesn't anyone graduate Sunday School?
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doctrbill Member (Idle past 2795 days) Posts: 1174 From: Eugene, Oregon, USA Joined: |
Rrhain writes:
Sounds like you lived in or near the Bay Area or perhaps listen to an SF radio station. I got so sick of that commercial while I was there. Always the same. Years on end. No innovation. So I had to laugh, imagining what a hell it would be to have to listen to the ad playing over and over, while eating the product for all eternity. ... an afterlife-time supply of Rice-a-Roni, the San Francisco Treat. db
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