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Author Topic:   Biblical contradictions II
Newborn
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Message 1 of 307 (46918)
07-22-2003 4:54 PM


Your question is simple.
God had give them a law first.
Then they had responsability to obey God not the serpent.
It is unfair for a supreme being to post a law after a less powerful entity(Satan in this case).Without a law first and a temptation next sin could not exist.It dont makes sense to have a temptation before a law.That is because the more powerful one can not be unfair.
For the previous reply-IT IS NOT SCIENTIFIC IMPOSSIBLE TO HAVE A PERFECT SYSTEM .
Oh,and Adam and Eve died but it was a spiritual death meaning they were doomed with the entire creation and loose their relationship with God .
If you didnt agree with the frase in capital letters reply and I will discuss it with you.
[This message has been edited by Newborn, 07-22-2003]
[This message has been edited by Newborn, 07-22-2003]

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Newborn
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Message 126 of 307 (47808)
07-29-2003 12:23 AM
Reply to: Message 125 by Brian
07-27-2003 7:10 PM


323
Had you by any chance read the message 323 of "Biblical contradictions" till the end?It was the message that started the overall discussion.
Of course not or you had understand the question regarding the "Tree of Life".
Since man had sinned he cant come back to God without a strongh faith in him .
If you read the message you will see that Gods desire was that man would eat from the Tree of Life but not Adam himself.Jesus was with God in Heaven and the Bible even said that Jesus was dead since the beggining of the world(Dont remember the verse.Someone please help me ).This can be understanded using General Relativity.Abrahams sons were the chosen ones.
Why would God create the Tree of Life if he didnt wanna man to eat of it?
Ok,sometimes you didnt need to ask your mother what she wants because you already knows.Why?Because you live with her and have a good relationship with her.Then before the sin Adam and Eve had a relationship with God and they supernaturaly understands everything.
This happens to everyone that accepts Jesus by faith.We receive the Holy Spirit and as we live with God we start to understand His Will by REVELATION and not by INFORMATION.These are the keywords.
Of course we have to learn it gradually .
After all the Bible says that man were created at his image.
Bible here refers to his character.
But man was tempted by the serpent(that was POSSESSED by Satan)
to became equal to God in natural knowledge ,military power and monarchic power.
See this:
Have the Knowledge of Good and Evil=Being dead spiritually Ok?
Satan know they would die but only told them half the thruth.
And what happens with you? Are you blind?Everyday death is a reality that was bring to the world by Adam and Eve.Please if you are gonna refute this use some wise arguments instead of saying that we didnt saw your words.It is so evident i really dont understand why it should be false.And please dont use some stupid dictionary definitions.Your definitions even had not time connections with it.
I said Satan tells them half the thruth.
For example in our days he convince people to stole saying that they will be rich if they do so.In the other side God tells them they will go to Hell if they do so.Who is lying? No one.But Satan is only telling half the thruth .He also says that if you dont receive Jesus by faith your life will be easier but he dont wanna you to know you will go to Hell if so.
[This message has been edited by Newborn, 07-28-2003]

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Newborn
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Message 133 of 307 (47939)
07-29-2003 10:41 PM
Reply to: Message 132 by zephyr
07-29-2003 12:09 PM


Hey why dont you read a text till the end? That is the correct thing to do.You can not comment some piece of text without the entire text.That is because the answer to some question might be in another part of the text.That is called contextualization.
Go read my 323 message of the previous thread TILL the END.
Ok.I HAVE SAID THAT before the fall there were no death but after there is.Dont we SEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE death in our days? .Go to a cemetery please.Did you see in the cemetery that God didnt lie?
ITs EVIDENT.Your dictionary definitions have no time conection .Somewhere in the epistles there are a reference of Satan deceiving Eve.
For the other user i have to say that people who receive Jesus by faith understand the spiritual things but the other ones needs scientifical explanations if they cant achieve it by faith(Jesus said that these ones are not well-ventured).For example Thomas had not faith and Jesus had to show his hands to him.

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Newborn
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Message 134 of 307 (47941)
07-29-2003 10:52 PM
Reply to: Message 132 by zephyr
07-29-2003 12:09 PM


Hey why dont you read a text till the end? That is the correct thing to do.You can not comment some piece of text without the entire text.That is because the answer to some question might be in another part of the text.That is called contextualization.
Go read my 323 message of the previous thread TILL the END.
Ok.I HAVE SAID THAT before the fall there were no death but after there is.Dont we SEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE death in our days? .Go to a cemetery please.Did you see in the cemetery that God didnt lie?
ITs EVIDENT.Your dictionary definitions have no time conection .Somewhere in the epistles there are a reference of Satan deceiving Eve.
For the other user i have to say that people who receive Jesus by faith understand the spiritual things but the other ones needs scientifical explanations if they cant achieve it by faith(Jesus said that these ones are not well-ventured).For example Thomas had not faith and Jesus had to show his hands to him.
Of course the serpent was doomed .All nature and Cosmos were doomed after all and it wasnt their fault(Even inanimated things were doomed).
God isnt spiritually dead but the arrogant desire to become like God in military and monarchic power brings spiritual and material death to people.

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Newborn
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Message 137 of 307 (49027)
08-06-2003 10:32 PM
Reply to: Message 136 by zephyr
07-29-2003 11:16 PM


Zephyr,God says that everything he created was good then there is no death before.
Ok but the important is that Adam and Eve died in that day and so God didnt lie.He refers to spiritual death.
If you dont believe me consider the following:
The Jews knows Hebrew very well.They knows the conotations of their words better than yourself.If God lied to Eve they would perceived it very well and they would be angry with God.It didnt happened so an unsaved American like yourself dont stand a chance to people who most appreciates the pentateuch(or wherever it is named).
We are not talking of conceptual or scientific errors here but vocabulary ones.And who knews it better than the Jews themselves.
And Paul had the Holy Spirit who reveals him that Satan possesed the serpent(and he states it).
And as I said in another thread if wasnt Satan who did it who was?
Serpents cant talk and God hadnt gave free will to them.
Of course it wasnt God who possess it nor an ET nor a man from the future with a satellite .The only one logical person is Satan.
Or did you think it was a ventriloque(those people in the streets that have a doll and pretends it talks)?

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