Condemn gay marriage, or just gay rape?

WrongSame-sex marriage - Wikipedia

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The Netherlands was the first country to legalize same-sex marriage in 2001. Same-sex marriages are also legal in Belgium, Spain, Canada, South Africa, and Norway...

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Sorry, I have a thing about making factual statements that goes beyond strict adherence to the letter of the original post.{ABE} In other words, if you don't want me calling you out because you stated something as fact that is obviously not true and that can easily be checked, then don't do it.Simple as that. Edited by anglagard, : No reason given.

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Read not to contradict and confute, not to believe and take for granted, not to find talk and discourse, but to weigh and consider - Francis BaconThe more we understand particular things, the more we understand God - Spinoza

I never said "there are plenty of nations where it does not represent male/female relationships" as it is obvious that traditional marriages are also recognized. Also I simply mentioned the half-dozen nations where gay marriage is recognized is in contradiction to your statement that marriage was recognized as male and female only in all nations today.Don't misrepresent my posts or we are going to get off to a bad start.

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Read not to contradict and confute, not to believe and take for granted, not to find talk and discourse, but to weigh and consider - Francis BaconThe more we understand particular things, the more we understand God - Spinoza

So you want another detractor. OK, I will give you what you seem to so earnestly desire. Yes, see History of Same Sex Unions. More 'facts' that are easy to find.Just for one example out of many:

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The fact that marriage occurred between two men among the Romans is proved by a law in the Theodosian Code from the Christian emperors Constantius and Constans which was passed on December 16, 342.

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Tell that to Constantius and Constans.The cry of 'context' is not an excuse for blatant falsehoods.

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Read not to contradict and confute, not to believe and take for granted, not to find talk and discourse, but to weigh and consider - Francis BaconThe more we understand particular things, the more we understand God - Spinoza

Roman history, as I posted in Message 24.Now if you are announcing to us all that you are the ultimate decider on the definition of marriage for all people and for all time, I guess you are allowed to proclaim victory.I know already without hitting my tremendous resources in articles and books I have available at my fingertips that there is also a history of homosexual marriage in the Pacific Islands.But of course if marriage is defined as only allowed among Christian couples with the sanction of both church and state prior to 20 years ago, then I guess you may have a case.Unfortunately for your argument, I have a broader definition of the ritual of marriage, history, the world, and the definition of what constitutes a human being.Edited by anglagard, : add the world

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Read not to contradict and confute, not to believe and take for granted, not to find talk and discourse, but to weigh and consider - Francis BaconThe more we understand particular things, the more we understand God - Spinoza

Not wisdom, only a bit of knowledge gathered from time and books. I do not take pride in hurting anyone's feelings in having to correct their misconceptions but my dedication to the truth is not negotiable.Also, as Nosy Ned stated, everyone is wrong sometimes including me, it is how one deals with it that shows their character. By essentially admitting you have been at least partially wrong, you have passed a test that all too many can't.It is not about you, it is about truth. When anyone makes a statement as fact that can easily be refuted, that simply means they need to do their homework a bit more then they may be used to when dealing with this forum.Also a bit of unsolicited advice, stay away from my other hangout dreamcatcher until you earn your chops here, they are merciless when dealing with those who claim to infallibly know their Bible or their Christianity, but like here, you will learn more than you could have ever imagined.Live, learn, master.Edited by anglagard, : i made a mistake, in proper English grammar, as usual

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Read not to contradict and confute, not to believe and take for granted, not to find talk and discourse, but to weigh and consider - Francis BaconThe more we understand particular things, the more we understand God - Spinoza