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frako Member (Idle past 335 days) Posts: 2932 From: slovenija Joined: |
Condemn gay marriage, or just gay rape? lol only if the guy was in an urban area when he got raped if that was the case the guy that GOT raped should be stoned to deth like the bible says lol about 5% of animals are gay they cant help it and gay people cant help it its how they where "made" or to put it in scientific therms their gens make them view the same sex gender as your gens make you view the opposite sex gender. to put it in theist therms god made them that way and its not up to you to question god
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frako Member (Idle past 335 days) Posts: 2932 From: slovenija Joined:
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The first is very common. The gay apologist seeks show the unreasonableness of negating homosexuality by attaching a modern day death penalty of stoning to it. I cannot speak for any other religion like Islam. But for the follower of New Testament Christian faith there is no obbligation to stone to death ANYONE. The insinuation "Then you must stone to death gay people" does not touch the Christian at all. And I at least am not a political activist trying to establish a theocracy. Now to the second concept: so no stoning only pestering them telling them its a sin and deniing them the right to get married is the norm of a modern christian
The matter of "I cannot help this because I was born this way" may also be appplied to stealing, lying, gossip, fornication, pickpocketing, bullying, extortioning, backbitting, embezzelment, adultery, drunkenness, gluttony ... etc. There is no question that in man's fallen nature we are born with the propensity to do many many things transgressing the law of God. We are born into sin. And this is why we need the divine life of Christ implanted into our being from the new birth. So in the Christian theology it is a moot point that one was born with this or that sinful tendency. And we are not asked by the Gospel to overcome on our own will power for God knows that we are unable to overcome the sin nature. So we need the indwelling of Christ as well as the redemption of Christ from the guilt of our sinning. so is should have taken my gay dog to the church and make him repent his gay ways you dont get it do you for a gay man the notion of having sex whit a woman is the same as the notion you have of sex whit a man it dose not compute in their brain what do you think your christ would say if he met a gay cuple a you 2 are dammed forever to burn in hellb love is a beautiful thing Edited by frako, : No reason given.
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frako Member (Idle past 335 days) Posts: 2932 From: slovenija Joined: |
Not only can I make the argument that I ought to be able to steal because I was born with this strong tendency to do so. I also can rationalize that my stealing hurts no one so it is not wrong. stealing does hurt the one you stole it from so it is wrong and illegal being gay hurts no one
It is better to come to the Savior confessing that you have this weakness that you cannot overcome and seek Him for salvation. a muslim could tell you the same about pig meat i still wouldent belive either of them untill they showe me proof of this so called god or savior
The same would be true of homosexuality. I do not think it is helpful to be "sin centered". Our attention and focus for salvation should be on the Savior Christ. i think some christians classify sex as sin too what does your wife say about that.
The way to freedom from the enjoyment of sinning is to enjoy Christ instead. The enjoyment of the indwelling Savior once He has come into your heart must replace the enjoyment of sinning. so it is sinful to love and remember a gay man cannot (not will not, it is inpossible for him he is not "wired" that way) love a woman the same way a straight man can
The enjoyment of the indwelling of God overpowers the enjoyment of the sinning. so again it is sinful to love that is what you are saying the bible says
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frako Member (Idle past 335 days) Posts: 2932 From: slovenija Joined: |
I'd say that stealing from somebody who doesn't need it (and might not even notice it's missing) is not morally wrong. In fact, I'd say that the person who has more than he needs is the one who is really stealing. "Morally wrong" has more to do with harming other people than with blindly following arbitrary rules. Jesus put the spirit of the law above the letter of the law. thats why morals are not laws, lets say you steal a million dollars from a drug lord and use it to fund rehab centers i would consider this moraly right, if you steal from him because you dont want to work and want to live large then i would consider you as bad as the drug lord but both cases are illegal although in the first scenario you would probably get alot of leniancy from the court in my country it is legal (now) for gays to get married although they had the same rights if they lived together and showed the intent of living together for a longtime example if i die right now my girlfrend will inherent all my property because in the eyes of our law whe are married evan though we don't have the paper to prove it problems might arrise in the hospital if only the imediete famely can see me and im out cold she would haveto prove that she is living whit me in a partnership. as for adoption of childeren it is very hard for gays to adopt here though i wouldent mind if a social worker would deem the enviorment sutable p.s. if you want to get married in a church in our county you get married twice the only legal version is the civil version and the church cant marry you whitout a civil marriege first
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frako Member (Idle past 335 days) Posts: 2932 From: slovenija Joined: |
i think you are one of those when one mentions gay to them all they see is 2 men puting their sexsual organs where they "dont belong" and you cannot evan begin to imagine that the 2 men could actualy love each other.
and p.sloads of straight people get aids the aids is gods punishment for their sin was the line that helped aids to spreed so fast 30 years a go all the "normal" people felt safe.
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frako Member (Idle past 335 days) Posts: 2932 From: slovenija Joined: |
I distinctly remember an early temptation and instance of stealing in my life. I recall rationalizing that it would NOT hurt the person from which I stole. Jesus said out of man's heart come "evil reasonings" which delife a man: "For out of the heart come evil reasonings, murders, adulteries, fornications, thefts, false witnessings, blasphemies, these are the things which defile the man ..." (Matt. 15:19,20) If we stopped ourselves sometime and asked "Exactly WHAT am I reasoning about here." we would realize that our sins are often preceeded with all kinds of self justifying rationals. Men reason their way into thefts, into adultery, into fornication, into many defiling transgressions. And part of this reasoning process is our convincing ourselves that no one else will be hurt. So the salvation really must start deep in the heart and in the mind. well your logic was flawed stealing always hurts the one that got stolen from. i have my own simple logic in life i dont do things to others that i would not want done to myself i dont want things stolen from me so i dont steal from othersi dont want others to dictate how i have to live, and i dont dictate it to others i evan protest sometimes for those peoples rights evan though it is not my way of life the other part of my logic is if you do not act a certian way you have no right to demand others willif you steal you have no right of complaining if you got stolen from if your car is stuck in a ditch you have no right to complyin that nobody is helping if you wouldent help a nother that is in the same situation. back on topic can your mind compute that 2 people of the same sex can be in love or is it all that you see in your mind is the way they have sexual intercourse
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frako Member (Idle past 335 days) Posts: 2932 From: slovenija Joined: |
I think this revolting cry up to heaven of Sodom involved thier rejection of nature's normal way of sexual attraction and activity. That is the way the Genesis story reads to me. umm so homosexsualety is not normal by natures standrads and the gay dog that i had a few years ago was some kind of unnatural satanic abomination and so are all the other 5% of mamals the dog that i had was a pure blood collie a friend of mine had 2 female collies they where and we wanted to mate them to ern some cash from the pups the 2 practically begged him to mate he dint not evan want to notice and in 14 days he did not try once, and when i got him home he raped the neighbors male German Shepherd Edited by frako, : No reason given.
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frako Member (Idle past 335 days) Posts: 2932 From: slovenija Joined: |
all of what i read so fare tells that men should not lay whit men but what about a woman lying whit another woman.
though i know the bible dose not regard women as equal to men there still should be something about them not sleeping whit other women
The problem of the daughters is far less of a problem to me then your problem of trying to prove homosexuaity had nothing to do with God's judging of Sodom. didnt loth have sex whit his own daughters if i remember correctly?So why was he not killed on the spot if everyone else got killed for their homosexual nature a short time before ? Is incest not high enough on the list? re where there other sins in sodom that got them burned? Edited by frako, : No reason given. Edited by frako, : No reason given.
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frako Member (Idle past 335 days) Posts: 2932 From: slovenija Joined: |
well not so much or the bible cant make up its mind about it
None of you shall approach to any that is near of kin to him, to uncover their nakedness. Leviticus 18:6 And the man that lieth with his father's wife hath uncovered his father's nakedness: both of them shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them. Leviticus 20:11 And if a man lie with his daughter in law, both of them shall surely be put to death: they have wrought confusion; their blood shall be upon them. Leviticus 20:12 And if a man take a wife and her mother, it is wickedness: they shall be burnt with fire, both he and they; that there be no wickedness among you. -- Leviticus 20:14
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frako Member (Idle past 335 days) Posts: 2932 From: slovenija Joined: |
i think that has more to do whit how beautiful angels are supposed to be and that the people of sodom could not controle their urges nothing to do whit homosexsuality
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frako Member (Idle past 335 days) Posts: 2932 From: slovenija Joined: |
So God does not know what is going on, just has rumors and gossip, and is off to find out for itself. this sure puts a damper on the all knowing part of the myth of god still if being homosexual is so bad why is this not written in the 10 commandments there should be an eleventh commandment thou shale not lay whit am man as you do whit a woman and a woman shal not lay whit a woman as she does whit a man
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frako Member (Idle past 335 days) Posts: 2932 From: slovenija Joined: |
where there only men in that mob or also any women, i think the story tries to point out not that the mob was gay but they wanted to have sex whit anything and every thing and that that was the the sin thing to have sex whit anything you lay your eyes on isted of the one you love being the only one
or in short you should not have sex cause it feels good i think that is the moral of the story Edited by frako, : No reason given.
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frako Member (Idle past 335 days) Posts: 2932 From: slovenija Joined: |
you know jaywill there have been a lot of cases where gay people where very hostile against gays preaching it is sin, to the extremes that they should be killed and what not and in later years it turned out that they where gay they coped whit it even got married whit the opposite sex and the only way they could convince themselves that they are not gay is to fight the gay movment and preaching it was a sin in most cases their marriages fell apart cause they could not love their spouse their love life was not what it should be and when they finaly acknowledged that they are gay their whole masqurade of a life fell apart and still they say that they are happier for coming out.
so if i where you i would take a good look at myself if i am not one of those cases
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frako Member (Idle past 335 days) Posts: 2932 From: slovenija Joined: |
and the moral is the same do not go around f*** everything you see but stay home and f*** your spouse, it says nothing about if a man makes love to another man the city will get burned to the ground. it says if you all practice free love, rape and not remain loyal to your loved ones god can and will burn the city to the ground.
witch would make san fran a grate target for him Edited by frako, : No reason given.
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frako Member (Idle past 335 days) Posts: 2932 From: slovenija Joined: |
Dt.23:2
A bastard shall not enter into the congregation of the LORD; even to his tenth generation shall he not enter into the congregation of the LORD. so unprotected sex by unmaried couples can lead to a bastard son or daughter and they cant go to church then so practice safe sex if you are not married or you son or daughter might get scr....ed out of heven and no unsafe sex even if she is menstruating Leviticus 20:18And if a man shall lie with a woman having her sickness, and shall uncover her nakedness; he hath discovered her fountain, and she hath uncovered the fountain of her blood: and both of them shall be cut off from among their people. Ezekiel 18:5-6But if a man be just, and do that which is lawful and right, and hath not ... come near to a menstruous woman..... the bible parts taken fromhttp://skepticsannotatedbible.com/says_about/index.htm Edited by frako, : No reason given.
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