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Nij
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Message 274 of 573 (584251)
10-01-2010 12:19 AM
Reply to: Message 271 by jaywill
09-30-2010 11:28 PM


Re: "For this cause ..."
Why can not a person speak for God if it is known what God's words are on a certain truth
If "God's words" on the subject of homosexual marriage are a "certain truth" you will be able to point out chapter and verse where the Bible explicitly states that such marriages are sinful and/or forbidden.
Please do so.
Inability -- not to be confused with refusal, although the latter would possibly imply the former -- to supply one could only mean there is no such explicit verse and that "God's word" on the issue is not certain at all, but subject to a large degree of personal interpretation.

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Nij
Member (Idle past 4920 days)
Posts: 239
From: New Zealand
Joined: 08-20-2010


Message 279 of 573 (584273)
10-01-2010 3:15 AM
Reply to: Message 276 by Dawn Bertot
10-01-2010 2:01 AM


Does the Bible actually say anything about homosexual marriage or not?
I have have asked for a single passage that implies same sex marraiges, that dictates that any such thing was approved of, that shows that it was practiced, that shows that it was approved of, that shows that the jews even remotley indicated that such was acceptable
And I have asked for a specific verse that states in an undisputable manner that homosexual marriage is undoubtedly not permitted.
If you'd like to jump on the "gay is forbidden" bandwagon, you need to provide a clear basis in scripture that is not open to alternate interpretation. Otherwise your position is no less an opinion than anyone else's.
You've been told about this before, I believe, but here it is again: just because it isn't mentioned does not mean it's forbidden. Otherwise you -- being the good biblical Christian and eschewing anything not discussed in the Bible -- should promptly smash up your computer and hurry to the nearest confessional box.
Whether it happened or not is irrelevant. We're discussing the question of if it is allowed.
Whether the Jews considered it acceptable or not means nothing at all in this discussion. It's the word of God as explicitly stated in the Bible we're talking about here, not the societal norms of a minor desert tribe from several millenia ago.

In response to ringo, DB writes:
This doesnt even make sense.
See if you can find the approval you are looking for in the non-canonical and Apocrapyhal writings, of Jews at that time, since you twist what the scriptures have to say
It makes perfect sense.
If God didn't like it, it would say so. Otherwise it would need to list everything that is permitted and that would require enormous amounts of very specific instruction. It makes far more sense to assume something is permitted if it is excluded than to assume it is forbidden if it is excluded.
This approval doesn't need to be listed because of the reason outlined above. Ringo doesn't twist scripture at all: he simply uses common sense.

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Nij
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Posts: 239
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Message 292 of 573 (584496)
10-02-2010 8:58 AM
Reply to: Message 291 by jaywill
10-02-2010 8:50 AM


Re: "For this cause ..."
And by that, you mean you'll continue to speak for yourself while believing that you alone are speaking for God.
You honestly don't get the idea of alternate perspectives being equally or more valid than your own, do you?
Of course not: your inspiration comes from God, so how could you be less correct than someone else. Fucking fundy...

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