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Topic: Condemn gay marriage, or just gay rape?
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Theodoric
Member Posts: 9202 From: Northwest, WI, USA Joined: 08-15-2005 Member Rating: 3.4
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Message 61 of 573 (582301)
09-20-2010 6:26 PM
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Reply to: Message 53 by jaywill
09-20-2010 4:29 PM
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I also lost a younger brother to HIV related complications due most likely to his involvement in the gay community in San Fransisco. He died because of the gay lifestyle. HIV is a gay disease? Tell that to the children with HIV/AIDS in South Africa I am going to see next month. At ten years old I don't think gay is something they even know about. In lots of the world HIV is a very heterosexual disease. Edited by Theodoric, : No reason given.
Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts
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Theodoric
Member Posts: 9202 From: Northwest, WI, USA Joined: 08-15-2005 Member Rating: 3.4
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Message 69 of 573 (582336)
09-20-2010 8:48 PM
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Reply to: Message 62 by jaywill
09-20-2010 7:50 PM
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Gay community
Can you quote me where I said "HIV is a gay disease"?
You very much insinuated it. The question you purported to answer was this.
So, how is it possible for a homosexual person to harm someone ( a third party) by entering into a union with another homosexual person? What harm do homosexual couples cause you, or anyone else for inbkthat matter?
Instead of answering this you went on a diatribe about HIV/AIDS. You are saying that unions between homosexuals is harmful because it causes AIDS. Why would you bring it up if that isn;t the answer. Are you ok with lesbians? I don't think there is much of a problem with HIV in the "lesbian community". Participating in the gay community did not cause his death. My cousin died of AIDS. She contracted it from her loser husband that had lots of unprotected sex. Last I heard he is still alive, but she died. It had nothing to do with homosexuality. There are lots of people involved in the gay community in San Francisco that do not have HIV and AIDS. I would venture to bet a lot of them practice safe sex, Just like a lot of heterosexual people. Anyone not practicing safe sex is vulnerable. The gay community is not responsible for your brothers death. He is.
Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts
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Theodoric
Member Posts: 9202 From: Northwest, WI, USA Joined: 08-15-2005 Member Rating: 3.4
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Message 82 of 573 (582361)
09-20-2010 11:20 PM
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Reply to: Message 76 by jaywill
09-20-2010 9:32 PM
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Your original comment.
Before I comment further just a little personal note so you get to know me just a little bit. I have beloved family members who are in the gay lifestyle. I also lost a younger brother to HIV related complications due most likely to his involvement in the gay community in San Fransisco. He died because of the gay lifestyle. This was in response to this question.
So, how is it possible for a homosexual person to harm someone ( a third party) by entering into a union with another homosexual person? What harm do homosexual couples cause you, or anyone else for that matter? Definition of diatribe.quote:
a bitter, sharply abusive denunciation, attack, or criticism
I think your comments about the "gay community" qualify as a diatribe.
But I think I have simply and soberly studied with you here what the Bible is saying on the subject matter.
Yes you did try to give us your interpretation after the diatribe. We did not "study here", you told us what you believe and what you think is the only thing to believe. As you may have noticed, many of us disagree with this interpretation.
Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts
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Theodoric
Member Posts: 9202 From: Northwest, WI, USA Joined: 08-15-2005 Member Rating: 3.4
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Message 173 of 573 (582944)
09-23-2010 11:50 PM
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Reply to: Message 157 by jaywill
09-23-2010 5:04 PM
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My marriage isn't real?
Marriage and sex being for procreation Since I was vasectomized before my marriage and there is no chance for procreation, then in your eyes my marriage is not valid? You are sounding like a self-righteous condescending asshole. Since I cannot father children with my wife I shouldn't enjoy the joys of marriage? I shouldn't have been allowed to marry?
Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts
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Theodoric
Member Posts: 9202 From: Northwest, WI, USA Joined: 08-15-2005 Member Rating: 3.4
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Message 178 of 573 (583008)
09-24-2010 9:28 AM
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Reply to: Message 176 by jaywill
09-24-2010 3:59 AM
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Re: My marriage isn't real?
Though you removed your post I will respond.
Message 157Jaywill writes: Marriage and sex being for procreation I don't think insists that enjoyment and pleasure must not be had in the relationship. Will you have a real response to Message 173, now that you realize that I have quoted you exactly as you wrote?
Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts
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Theodoric
Member Posts: 9202 From: Northwest, WI, USA Joined: 08-15-2005 Member Rating: 3.4
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Message 188 of 573 (583104)
09-24-2010 3:36 PM
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Reply to: Message 181 by jaywill
09-24-2010 12:41 PM
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Re: My marriage isn't real?
You seem to want it both ways. Lets look back at the conversation.
Message 148Ringo writes: He didn't prohibit any other kind. He had no reason to prohibit same-sex marriage unless sex and marriage are only for procreation.
Though you quote this in your response you refuse to address it.
Message 151Ringo brings it up again in
Message 154In
Message 157jaywill writes: Marriage and sex being for procreation I don't think insists that enjoyment and pleasure must not be had in the relationship. Acknowledging that you believe marriage and sex are for procreation. Therefore you say that your god is against same sex marriage because marriage is for procreation. You said it, you are saying that RIngo is corect that that is what your god intended. Now you claim a heterosexual union that can not result in children is ok, because they are some sort of model. Does you head hurt when you try to manipulate and twist your arguments in order to make them work? Did your god make marriage and sex only for procreation? If so, your stand on heterosexual unions that cannot or do not result in children is warped and hypocritical. If not then what is the basis for your god supposedly condemning homosexual relationships?
This is an inflamatory comment which surpises me coming from you.
No it is a natural understanding of your line of argument. Don't you see that this is where your argument leads?
So, no, I do not for a moment think having children is a mandatory obligation of a married couple.
That is not what your previous arguments implied.
Think of it this way. Even though you had no children, still your successful marraige acted as a model to others. You had the environment in which raising a child was most normal.
How do you know this? Because I am heterosexual? What about dysfunctional families? An abusive parent is better than a homosexual parent? The hoops you jump through to justify yourself is mind boggling.
Since you artificially attempted to push me into some fanatical and extreme view that your marriage is not valid, the criticism is moot.
Not at all. It is the natural progression of the argument you are making against homosexual unions.
Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts
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Theodoric
Member Posts: 9202 From: Northwest, WI, USA Joined: 08-15-2005 Member Rating: 3.4
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Message 193 of 573 (583120)
09-24-2010 5:42 PM
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Reply to: Message 189 by jaywill
09-24-2010 4:11 PM
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The question is simple
Did your god make marriage and sex only for procreation? If so, your stand on heterosexual unions that cannot or do not result in children is warped and hypocritical. If not then what is the basis for your god supposedly condemning homosexual relationships?
1.) You called me an asshole. (I count that as a violation to Rule #10.)
No. I said your arguments are making you sound like one. They are offensive arguments.
2.) I sense that you are going back over posts attempting to assign positions to me and put words into my mouth.
As you can see by the exchange I posted, I did not. Can you answer the simple question at the beginning of this post? You need to take responsibility for the arguments you put forward.
Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts
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Theodoric
Member Posts: 9202 From: Northwest, WI, USA Joined: 08-15-2005 Member Rating: 3.4
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Message 195 of 573 (583192)
09-25-2010 10:02 AM
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Reply to: Message 194 by jaywill
09-25-2010 7:16 AM
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Did your god make marriage and sex only for procreation?
It really is a simple question. There are only two possible answers; yes or no.
Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts
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Theodoric
Member Posts: 9202 From: Northwest, WI, USA Joined: 08-15-2005 Member Rating: 3.4
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Message 235 of 573 (583745)
09-28-2010 6:48 PM
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Calling Jaywill
I have asked this numerous times and you keep avoiding it. Did your god make marriage and sex only for procreation? It really is a simple question. There are only two possible answers; yes or no.
Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts
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Theodoric
Member Posts: 9202 From: Northwest, WI, USA Joined: 08-15-2005 Member Rating: 3.4
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Re: Calling Jaywill
Well it is geared towards him because he seemed to claim so earlier. Maybe you should read the whole thread. And yes he has avoided answering. If no, what is the basis for your god's condemnation of gay marriage?
Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts
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Theodoric
Member Posts: 9202 From: Northwest, WI, USA Joined: 08-15-2005 Member Rating: 3.4
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Evidence time
So, is it ok, to avoid, circumvent and add to the principle of marraige set out in Gen 2.
Please show where the principle of marriage is set out in Gen 2.
Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts
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Theodoric
Member Posts: 9202 From: Northwest, WI, USA Joined: 08-15-2005 Member Rating: 3.4
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Re: Calling Jaywill
Because it is a diviation from his original plan. You can offer no scripture or reason why this is permissible in the first place. The latter condemnations in scripture of homosexual activities, even apart from marriage, should make it obvious that that aspect is wrong to begin with, without even tieing it to marraige.
Show us the condemnations.
Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts
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Theodoric
Member Posts: 9202 From: Northwest, WI, USA Joined: 08-15-2005 Member Rating: 3.4
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Message 290 of 573 (584461)
10-01-2010 11:12 PM
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Reply to: Message 286 by jaywill
10-01-2010 2:17 PM
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Not me
So I mentioned that I along with all others have sinned and are in need of salvation, along with all homosexual or heterosexual minded people.
I have never sinned. Have I acted immorally? Yes. But I have never sinned. I can't. Matter of fact I don't think anyone has sinned, because I have no reason to believe there is a divine law to transgress.
Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts
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Theodoric
Member Posts: 9202 From: Northwest, WI, USA Joined: 08-15-2005 Member Rating: 3.4
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Message 352 of 573 (584702)
10-03-2010 4:15 PM
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Reply to: Message 337 by jaywill
10-03-2010 8:34 AM
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Still waiting
It is a very simple question, but you refuse to answer. Did your god make marriage and sex only for procreation?
Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts
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Theodoric
Member Posts: 9202 From: Northwest, WI, USA Joined: 08-15-2005 Member Rating: 3.4
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Re: Still waiting
Did you even notice whose post I replied to? Not everything in this thread is about you. I explained to you earlier on this thread that I was looking for an answer form Jaywill on this not you. If you would read the thread you would see I have a point and Jaywill refuses to commit himself to an answer to this. So why don't you ignore this question and let Jaywill answer or not.
Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts
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