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Topic: Biblical contradictions II
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John
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If you were honest with yourself you'd admit that god lied. ------------------
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John
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the word death comes from 'spiritually parted'.
Where do you get your information, mike?
Strong's writes: 04191 twm muwth mooth a primitive root; TWOT-1169; v AV-die 424, dead 130, slay 100, death 83, surely 50, kill 31, dead man 3, dead body 2, in no wise 2, misc 10; 835 1) to die, kill, have one executed 1a) (Qal) 1a1) to die 1a2) to die (as penalty), be put to death 1a3) to die, perish (of a nation) 1a4) to die prematurely (by neglect of wise moral conduct) 1b) (Polel) to kill, put to death, dispatch 1c) (Hiphil) to kill, put to death 1d) (Hophal) 1d1) to be killed, be put to death 1d1a) to die prematurely ------------------
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John
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Message 19 of 307 (46983)
07-22-2003 11:25 PM
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Reply to: Message 18 by Asgara
07-22-2003 11:23 PM
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I was just about to post that exact same info
Amazing how easy it is to find this stuff, eh? I mean, if you bother to look.  ------------------
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Message 21 of 307 (46986)
07-22-2003 11:40 PM
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Reply to: Message 20 by Asgara
07-22-2003 11:33 PM
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hmmm.... maybe we aren't dealing with Maxwell's demon at all. Perhaps it is Maxwell's ISP? ------------------
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John
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the serpant was the one who wnated them to fail
Wanted them to fail? The serpent offered them knowledge and life-- the knowledge and life that God kept from them. It appears that God wanted them to fail, or at least, to never mature. ------------------
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John
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For he will be lying JUST like the serpant who WAS AGAINST GOD for the hundreth time!
Mike, bud, the serpent was indeed up against God, but he was not lying. You really must drop this. The serpent stated precisely what would happen, and it happened just as he said. How, by any convoluted logic, is that lying?
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You see you questio Gods righteoussness with your own thinking you are right , questioning God's will like the serpant!
Lol... Yes, Mike. It is called thinking. It is the gift the serpent gave to us. And in fact, we did eat of the Tree of Knowledge of Good and Evil, so I suppose we DO have the ability to discern such things, yes? Or do you now deny that the Tree had such properties as God ascribed to it?
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Why did the serpant even interfere?
Maybe he had a bit of compassion for Gods ignorant kept little playthings and thought maybe he'd give them a chance to be more than lapdogs.
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was he favouring what God said?
Why do you keep bringing this up? This isn't the issue. The issue is that God and the Serpent did indeed say two DIFFERENT things and the serpent told the truth.
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you obviously even believe in a serpant before the will of God so how can you be righteouss in your comments?
No, not before, but reading the story in your own holy book and noticing that the serpent, not God, told the truth. ------------------
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John
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But God said they would die so the serpant was lying against God!
That is absolutely ridiculous. The serpent was contradicting God. Contradiction is not the same as lying.
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ABSOLUTE RUBBISH name who died before the tree?
grrrr.... God told them not to eat of the tree of life or they would live forever. If they were ALREADY immortal this would make no sense. Thus we conclude that they were not immortal, and therefore death existed. Pretty simple.
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Again simple misunderstanding, the serpant DOES lie he says they wont die but they aged and died and eventually people lived shorter and shorter lives.
Context. Context. Eve is concerned that she will drop dead on the spot. The serpent says it ain't so. She, and Adam, are already going to age and die, as they have not eaten of the Tree of Life.
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what a foolish statement. God has explained the nature of self righteoussness and guess who qualifies?
Christians have always been the most self-righteous people in my experience. Take, for example, the statement just quoted. ------------------
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Message 65 of 307 (47271)
07-24-2003 9:56 AM
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Reply to: Message 45 by Rrhain
07-23-2003 10:14 PM
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As I have asked you many times: Beetaratagang or clerendipity?
Lol... indeed! Now, let me think.... ------------------
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John
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God says those who are of the truth hear his words
So only those who believe as you do get a hearing? A REAL hearing? See, with one fell swoop you dismiss all who disagree. You aren't setting yourself up for much of anything but self-impossed ignorance. ------------------
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Message 91 of 307 (47351)
07-24-2003 9:46 PM
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Reply to: Message 76 by Culverin
07-24-2003 2:33 PM
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Re: Would you be loved
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My question to you is..... Do you want a REAL hearing?
The question to you is "Do you intend to contribute anything new to the discussion or just preach?"
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You have set the recipient of your accusation up as a Red-Herring.
I dare you to interpret that sentence in such a way as to make sense.
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As Christians we are simply giving you what is written in the Bible.
Actually, it isn't the Christians giving what is written in the Bible. It is the hell-bound devil worshipping athe-ostics. The Christian contribution so far has been to bend over backwards to make the Bible say what it quite literally does not.
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We believe it, and at present you do not.
hmmm.... insightful.
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We do not dismiss all who disagree. They dismiss themselves due to a lack of belief in what the Bible says.
May I suggest that you read these two sentences again? Sentence one: We don't dismiss people who disagree. Sentence two: We dismiss people who disagree. Doesn't matter how you word it.
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As for our "self-impossed" ignorance, as a Bible believing Christian, you are correct.
I need to get this framed. Are you proud of this, by chance?
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We do not choose to stand on our own understanding of why we are here.
Yes. Actually, you do. It is your understanding that leads to your belief. You cannot pass the buck to Jesus, or to the Bible. You decide what you believe.
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Do not be fooled...... you do not have any better answers for our existence on this earth than what is written in the Bible.
Lol... yes I do. I have thousands. Every culture out there has cooked up a pretty good story-- some of them quite good. For sheer psychological and philosophical insight Hinduism is light years ahead of your Good Book. It isn't hard to do better than "Do what God says or get spanked."
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And even then, you still have to resist the urge to question what happens when your earthly body ceases to breathe anymore.
hmmm... no, I don't have to resist the urge. ------------------
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John
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Re: Would you be loved
Lol... so THAT is how that got started. oops! I couldn't figure it out. I kept seeing this weird spelling in quotes, and thinking "What's with the weird spelling?" You type a double letter and all hell breaks loose. ------------------
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John
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While replying to a message, look to the left of the text box. There, you will see "*UBB code is ON." Click on that phrase and you will be taken to page explaining the quote functions, as well as other things. ------------------
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John
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As for it being a bird, that's a BIG bird AND a BIG story. It's Indian folklore.
And Gideon is Jewish folklore. What is your point? ------------------
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John
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Gideon is a judge in the history of Israel.
Yes. Gideon is a figure in Jewish cultural history, somewhere between myth and fact-- much like King Arthur.
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Outside of the Bible there are numerous sources that record geneologies and annuls of history. One is the Jewish historian Josephus.
Lets see... the period of the Judges was between about 1370BC and 1050BC. Josephus lived and wrote between 37 CE - circa 100 CE. He is writing 1000 years plus after the fact. Did you intend that to be a contemporary account? Got anything better?
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What if I say I don't believe Christopher Columbus ever existed? Does that nullify his achievements? That's 500 years ago.
You've completely skipped over the fact that Columbus is a historically verifiable figure. There are innumerable documents which refer to him and countless lines of reasoning which can be used to verify his life and acts. Not so with most of the characters in the Bible. Yes, it he did live 500 years ago. We have evidence. We have evidence supporting the existence of particular individuals dating much deeper into the past than that. Not so for most of the figures in the Bible. Which acheivements of Gideon can be verified? What do have for his existence other than his presense in Jewish cultural history? All cultures have mythical and quasi-mythical characters written into the cultural history. One's presence in that history does not prove actual existence. There is Romulus and Remus, the mythological founders of Rome. Does this prove they existed? Does this prove they existed AND were raised by wolves? Nope. We need more than that to prove historical existence. How about Gilgamesh? Real king? He must be real because some people talked about him. Silly argument, yes?
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You probably believe the universe is 4.2 billion years old (give or take a million)but where is that corroborated?
Let me count the ways... ------------------
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John
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If it's just fairy tales, why waste time here talking about it?
It is one of the few books of fairy tales which effect my life. If people were passing laws based on Aesop's Fables I'd be fighting about it as well. But people don't make laws based on Aesop's. All those talking animals, witches and magic kinda give it away. I'm not sure why the talking animals, witches and magic in the Bible don't give it away as well. ------------------
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