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Author Topic:   Biblical contradictions II
Theologian63
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Message 245 of 307 (49619)
08-09-2003 1:32 PM
Reply to: Message 243 by Pogo
08-09-2003 1:23 PM


Re: JACK CHICK?!??
Why do you discount Chick? Are you Roman Catholic? Satanist?
"Did the biblical god speak in King James?"
Are you serious? Do you consider THAT an intelligent question? There is no such thing as "King James". It's called Elizabethan English and the Thees and Thous were put in to show the difference between the singular and plural when referring to God. "YOU" is too ambiguous. Sometimes the Trinity is being spoken of and sometimes only the Father. It's an act of respect which you seem to lack. Sarcasm is a weak argument.
You can send the 10,000 refutations to my e-mail. It's in my profile.

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Theologian63
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Message 248 of 307 (49623)
08-09-2003 1:38 PM
Reply to: Message 244 by Percy
08-09-2003 1:29 PM


Re: Biblical Accuracy and the Big Bang
"...at this point there is no confirming evidence of the interpretation of Genesis of evangelical Christians, and much falsifying evidence." I concur with the former. We accept by faith.
Please share the falsifying evidence since it goes to contradictions in the Bible.
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Theologian63
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Message 253 of 307 (49628)
08-09-2003 1:48 PM
Reply to: Message 247 by mark24
08-09-2003 1:34 PM


"Much is speculated, but it doesn't violate any knowledge we already have, & indeed, is consistent with it"
Of coiurse it's specualted. There is NO proof. Science requires observation. Who observed the phenomenon? It doesn't violate it because it is circular reasoning. The theory creates the sun and the sun creates the theory. In my case the SON creates the sun. "all things were made by him and without him was not anything made that was made."
"You mean to tell me yours was a bigger, better supported argument? It wasn't, perhaps you should critically examine your own writings before criticising others."
My argument was backed up by a source, your was just your opinion. I think THAT is critical analysis.

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Theologian63
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Message 254 of 307 (49629)
08-09-2003 1:53 PM
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08-09-2003 1:39 PM


Re: JACK CHICK?!??
Admin,
Sorry. There is no light outside of God. This will go on forever because niether side is willing to admit defeat. What do we do from here? Eliminate the discussion?
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Theologian63
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Message 255 of 307 (49630)
08-09-2003 1:57 PM
Reply to: Message 250 by John
08-09-2003 1:39 PM


"It is one of the few books of fairy tales which effect my life"
Good point. So the law makers must hold the Bible as a valid source of morality and standards. BTW, in what dies ut affect your life? I thought it was full of contradictions?

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Theologian63
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Message 259 of 307 (49635)
08-09-2003 2:10 PM
Reply to: Message 256 by Pogo
08-09-2003 2:06 PM


Re: god's fault? Maybe...
Thanks. I was just curious, not trying to be vindictive.

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Theologian63
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Message 261 of 307 (49637)
08-09-2003 2:22 PM
Reply to: Message 259 by Theologian63
08-09-2003 2:10 PM


Re: god's fault? Maybe...
Does everyone agree that GOd lied in the Garden? WAIT! I just remembered. Ezekiel 18:4 says"...the soul that sinneth, it shall die." How can a soul die? Maybe the death God talked about was not a drop dead on the spot death. This seems to point to a spiritual death. We define death as separation from the presence of God. Since most of you deny that Genesis is true anyway, this is really a pointless debate. Because, according to you, this NEVER took place. It's just another fairy tale. Did the sky really fall or was Chicken Licken imagining it?
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Theologian63
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Message 263 of 307 (49639)
08-09-2003 2:29 PM
Reply to: Message 262 by John
08-09-2003 2:26 PM


Re: JACK CHICK?!??
Isn't that a little off topic? If you want to discuss the history of the KJV I would be glad to.
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Theologian63
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Message 265 of 307 (49644)
08-09-2003 2:50 PM
Reply to: Message 264 by John
08-09-2003 2:35 PM


Re: JACK CHICK?!??
"It is just a bit of trivia"
Isn't trivia based on facts? What facts support your comments about the KJV? Here's a bit of trivia: Where is the final residence of liars?

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Theologian63
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Message 267 of 307 (49646)
08-09-2003 3:01 PM
Reply to: Message 266 by crashfrog
08-09-2003 2:58 PM


Re: JACK CHICK?!??
LOL, no that is the former residence. The answer is The Lake of Fire which is where Satan will be for making all of you who disbelieve the Bible belive his lies. Satan is the father of lies according to Jesus.

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Theologian63
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Message 273 of 307 (49682)
08-09-2003 11:17 PM
Reply to: Message 272 by Percy
08-09-2003 10:48 PM


Re: Did Joshua Stop the Sun?
"But the question is whether Joshua's stopping of the sun contradicts physical laws, and the answer is that it does."
True, but that doesn't mean it can't happen. And I would say YES, it was a miracle. AGAIN, I believe GOD made all physical laws ergo HE can change them or supsend or do ANYTHING HE wishes to them.
As far as calling you a fool. Those are God's words and I never said "Thou fool" or even called you a fool. I just quoted from the Bible. I find the Bible to be a valid source for ALL my arguements yet you and the others have failed to cite supporting evidence SOURCES. I will limit my comments to the topic at hand.

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Theologian63
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Message 275 of 307 (49704)
08-10-2003 4:19 AM
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08-09-2003 11:49 PM


Re: Did Joshua Stop the Sun?
"I don't think this is really true. The physics alluded to here can be found in any high school text and is accepted by all scientists working in the field"
We're not talking about physics but rather a miracle. Something that defies the natural laws. Many cases of stigmata exist (see an encyclopedia) which defy natural law. I don't deny there existence although I don't believe their source is from God. I doubt if they follow the laws of physics or even chemistry but they exist. Many would consider them a miracle. Why is okay to accept a modern occurrence of breaking the laws of physics but not an event that happened thousands of years ago?
Again, we are OUTSIDE the bounds of physics or any other scientific law when it comes to miracles. Do you DENY the existence of miracles today?

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Theologian63
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Message 276 of 307 (49705)
08-10-2003 4:33 AM
Reply to: Message 272 by Percy
08-09-2003 10:48 PM


Re: Did Joshua Stop the Sun?
"If I am a fool then it is rude of you to say so, and if I am not then you are making a false statement, both of which are violations of the Forum Guidelines."
Percy,
I checked the guidelines and they say NOTHING about little sermons or suggesting you are a fool for not believing in God. I was merely quoting a scripture. Those are God's words NOT mine. I didn't say "Thou fool" or "You are a fool Percy." All I did was quote a scripture. If it's just a book, why get upset over what it has to say? Maybe this is one of the contradictions you seem so eager to point out.
Your "violations" comment is unsupported since I didn't directly slander you or call you a name. ANd I don't recall false statements being a violation of the guidelines either. This place is FULL of false statements. We make them because we are fallible. If you take exception to this scripture, then take it up with God. HE wrote it!
I WILL try to limit my comments to the topic being discussed.
"And acceptance of the validity of any particular Biblical account or miracle is not the measure of belief in God."
I disagree. If you discount portions of the Bible then you say God is a liar or Jesus is or many of the authors, speaking under inspiration of God, are. How can a person be a believer and think that GOD lies? Why would a person trust in an untrustworthy deity?

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Theologian63
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Message 278 of 307 (49708)
08-10-2003 7:22 AM
Reply to: Message 277 by mark24
08-10-2003 6:37 AM


Mark,
If you are referring to this: "the bible is logically flawed on the following grounds: argument from anonymous authority." It's fallacious since we know MANY of the biblical authors. To discount the WHOLE bible because of one anonymous author is illogical as well as unintelligent. I will give you that the author of Genesis is not KNOWN but James wrote James, JOhn wrote Revelation, and I-III John (hence the name)and David wrote many of the Psalms. I discount your grounds for disagreement on those items alone. Don't you think your reason should support the issue and not take in a whole?
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Theologian63
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Message 280 of 307 (49710)
08-10-2003 7:54 AM
Reply to: Message 279 by mark24
08-10-2003 7:30 AM


I repeat WHAT EVIDENCE? Give me one book that states the earth is billions of years old and has IRREFUTABLE proof of said age. As for the Kent Hovind quote, I'm not sure of the relevance.
"Then using Genesis as evidence of creation is fallacious"
I beg to differ. Jesus often referred to Genesis and the creation account; Mark 13:19. . He talked about Lot's wife ;Luke 17:32. He talked about the flood and Noah ; Matt. 24:38-39. Now, are you going to tell me that Jesus is a liar? Or that HE never existed? I have historical proof to his existence. What do you have?

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