A Modern Day Miracle Man - Establishes the Supernatural Realm

Saying nay won't make it so. I'm afraid sir you are in complete and absolute denial, of the clear proof of this man's prophetic gift, if you were really open-minded and after the truth, all the evidence I have brought forth thus far would have been enough for you, but you are holding hold to your current believes like a clamp. The short amount of time that elapsed for his prophecies to actualize would have already caused you to pause and wonder, really hard about a few important issues.

You don't understand them, and what is this you say here, "but the prediction was not that a certain individual would be killed in a planecrash. The prediction was A planecrash would happen on a Friday.", but plane crashes do involve individuals whether you wanna admit it or not, Sir please I have given you enough evidence, showing how rare plane crashes are, and you keep on saying that they aren't rare. Well, they are as I have shown repeatedly why do willingly refuse to apply your mind. My same numbers reveal how rare it is 25%, is a rare occurrence and the number of months that are without plane crashes is staggering. and further proof is provided on the site i gave about how extremely rare it is to be in a plane crash, even rarer than being struck by lighting. i'm sorry it does matter, individuals fly planes and board planes and if its rare for them to get into a plane crash, it does say a lot about the frequency of plane crashes therefore as I said 25% is not a common event.Edited by Cedre, : No reason given.

but not on the exact dates they were predicted, why did it have to be on the 17th instead of the 18th, why not the 19th etc, if they all both stand an equal chance of witnessing a plane crash. why did it start exactly on the 17th as said By TB Joshua and end exactly on the date again given by him? Secondly It isn't irrelevant, if pilots are more careful, and control towers do their jobs better less crashes will be reported in the face of the probability you chuck out. Many things affect the rate of plane crashes and its not all black and white like you are maintaining. there are many air travels all throughout a month not only at month ends. Plane crashes are rare events as I have shown many times already, and they can happen on any day of the week on any day. [qs]Again, I am not lying. He never explicitly said that a crash would happen on any of those days.[qs] he did actually, when he said that " Even when you are about to be checked in, something will happen that you will not be able to go — if it is going to take your life. It’s either you miss your flight; it’s either something happens. 17, 27, 28. "He says that you will miss those flights for one reason or another, he mentions that if the plane ride will end up taking your life something will stall you or delay you causing you to miss it. in other words if you will not survive the accident and end up dying God will put a seal on your body somewhere keeping you from entering the plane. There were in fact crashes on those days he warned people from boarding them in January, this cannot be explained as a guess, the specific dates make it impossible.Edited by Cedre, : No reason given.Edited by Cedre, : No reason given.Edited by Cedre, : No reason given.

lets look at the odds of a traveler being in a plane crash, further revealing how rare it is
Winning the lottery jackpot? (1 in 14 million)being struck by lightning? (1 in 20 million)Your odds of these two things are actually BETTER than being in an airplane crash (1 in 25 million)
Source(s):
National Safety Council

Adieu folks gotta go, see you all on Monday. I have forwarded many many posts, go to them before you ask a question or set forth a challenge because there is a chance I might have already answered it. See you on Monday.

yoyu cannot ignore the odds I have presented, and especially as it relates to TB Joshua's prophecy, that so explicitly gives the specifc dates.

stop lying geez, you are fond of telling untruths, I encourage all of you to have a look at the prophecy and see just How accurate it is, TB Joshua Mentions specific dates and the accidents happened on those exact dates and no other date. He was very very accurate. How is it irrelevant if when they are more careful the accidents are minimized and when they aren't they increase. How can this be irrelevant, your claims are irrelevant. Yet we don't see accidents happening after every four days and so, and in many cases for entire weeks including months as my earlier calculations revealed. Yet another lie, I'm starting to question your honesty; the prophetic message was confirmed for the 27th as a FedEx cargo plane crashed in Lubbock, Texas, on the 27th of January 2009, the second date specified in the prophetic message delivered by Prophet T.B. The crashes happened on the specific dates given by the prophet, on exactly those days, it starts on the 17th, as the prophet said, why not on the 16th or the 15th etc and ends at the end of the month as the prophet said again, why not on the 29 or the 1st of the next month. It is highly unlikely, that this could have happened it can only be explained as a miracle.
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No I seek and embrace the truth, its more than what I can about you. You deny the truth, and use all kinds of grandiloquence to suppress it. No amount of evidence in favor of the supernatural realm, irregardless of how convincing it is, will ever be sufficient for you, all yow will do is find ways to explain it in natural terms even when it is impossible to do so. There just is no room for supernaturalism in your strictly materialistic world view that you are so religiously committed to to the point that you scorn and reject anything that opposes it. In the same vein you have taken a firm stand, without any support, that Joshua must be a charlatan, just because he performs impossible feats that oppose naturalism he must be a charlatan. I really think you're in denial of of the specificity of the prophecy, which states the exact dates on which aviation accidents were noted, the 17th the 19th and the 28th up to the end of the month.I challenge you to faithfully answer the questions underneath which will help to determine whether this was a vague or specific prophecy:1. a Did Joshua mention the 17th as the day of a possible aviation incident in his prophecy delivered on 11th January 2009 If no explain why.
b Was a crash reported on the 17th of January in accordance with the date TB Joshua gave just 6 days ago?2. a Did Joshua mention the 27th as the day of a possible aviation incident?
b Was a crash reported on the 17th of January in accordance with the date TB Joshua gave?3. a Did Joshua mention the 28th as the day of a possible aviation incident?
b Was a crash reported on the 28th of January in accordance with the date TB Joshua gave?3. a Did Joshua mention that this accidents will last up to the end of the month?
b Were crashes reported up to the end of the month?Once you answer this questions it should become clear that TB Joshua's prophecy isn't as vague as you're implying.If you want to argue that since TB Joshua didn't mention January as the month for the crashes in his prophecy he could have been talking of any month, then you must answer this question.Is it possible and common for humans to state dates without being specif about the month if they are alluding to the existing month?I think that it is not only possible but it happens, I do it too, and I have seen many people do it. And when people do mention dates without specifying the month they are almost always alluding to the existing month. And further evidence that TB Joshua was alluding to the month of January is given by this line he makes, "the whole thing from 17 to the end of the month" I'm surprised that you could contend the obvious fact that accidents are in a large part determined by the conscientiousness and responsibleness of the people involved. If drivers are more careful on the road accidents will be minimized if not they will sky-rocket, if a drunk pilot is allowed to handle a plane there's a good chance that his plane will go down before reaching his marked out destination. That is precisely my point this accidents happen randomly they don't have to happen on a fixed/given date and because of this as my calculations demonstrate there are many months that go by without witnessing any plane crashes pbs.org agrees with me "Most years no plane crashes occur, or at least very few. So the number of victims per year goes up radically in years when there are crashes." Therefore just to say the chances of a plane crash is 1/4 days is not enough pbs.org agrees with me on this point again, "Risk perception is not just a matter of the facts." and " Numbers are not the only waynot even the most important waywe judge what to be afraid of. Risk perception is not just a matter of the facts." because, "to calculate the risk per year can be misleading. One really bad year would skew the numbers toward the more frightening. A year with no crashes makes it look like it's zero." Therefore because the distribution of aviation incidents is random, as you admitted it is not so likely that an accident will occur on a specified date, especially a chain of specified dates like TB Joshua did.On the rarity of plane crashesI don't deny that plane crashes do occur, but just because something occurs it doesn't imply that its a common thing, Africans get eaten by lions and Indians by tigers, this events are rare but they do happen, the thing is they don't happen commonly but rarely, lottery wins happen but rarely, people get struck by lighting but rarely; there is a 1 in 25 million chances that you will be involved in a plane crash, despite this chance you can be involved in a plane crash, but its rare that you will get into a plane crash because they are very safe and don't frequently crash. These events happen but they are rare happenings. TB Joshua doesn't mention passengers per se, all he says is whoever would be flying. Edited by Cedre, : No reason given.Edited by Cedre, : No reason given.Edited by Cedre, : No reason given.Edited by Cedre, : No reason given.Edited by Cedre, : No reason given.

can you give an argument that shows that it is ridiculous and nonsense its not enough to say it is? You must prove that assertion, how sure are you that he isn't really receiving this revelations from God? I can see that this is really upsetting you causing you to employ foul language, they say truth hurts, anyway, the prophecy you are referring to is remarkable in that it gives two locations in which floods are to occur, and just two days later floods occur in two locations that correspond to the locations given in his prophecy. Not everyone knows that. And he did not vaguely state that a flood would occur he gave two locations he clearly stated only one nation from Asia will be flooded and that's what happened two days later and he also stated that a tourist hot spot at the extreme end of the border. Giresun, the site of the second flood, is a province of turkey on the black sea coast. it was founded on a peninsula — the extreme end of the border exactly as Prophet T.B. Joshua had prophesied.

This is a false statement its not hugely open to interpretation, clear dates are given and its clear also that the the prophecy was made for the January month. but you want to argue that it wasn't made for the January month because it was fulfilled during the January month, why else do you argue about the month? If suppose the crashes happened on the same dates but in February you would have argued that they were probably meant for January etc , your problem is you have no evidence that they weren't made for the January month but its clear from the passage that TB Joshua was referring to the same month in which he delivered the prophecy. Thank you for being truthful in your response to the questions I listed, and since you finally admitted that accidents did happen on the dates given by the prophet, you can not go on arguing that his prophecy was vague. Yes you sure can but its not a relevant question because the 15th is not part of the prophecy, the bottom line is TB Joshua prophecy is fulfilled very accurately. What more can I say here. I gave you facts provided on the Wikipedia about aviation accidents stating that 80% of crashes are a result of human error and more facts from another website saying the same thing. If 80% of crashes are a result of human error than how can human influence in crashes be irrelevant? Please just own up when you are wrong? You didn't answer my question, please answer my question. 25% is quite rare, look at the figures again only 5286 days out of a whooping 21199 days from 1950 up to the present time has had plane crashes, that means that 15913 days were accident free, how many months are those? assuming each month has got has 31 days we get 513 months without accidents of 631 months, subtracting the two figures we determine that only 118 months saw accidents, out of 631 months. It looks rare to me, if so many months could be without accidents, what then are the chances of any month witnessing a plane crash, also when being in plane crash is even less likely than winning the lottery or being struck by lighting National Safety Council. pbs.org agrees with me "Most years no plane crashes occur, or at least very few. So the number of victims per year goes up radically in years when there are crashes.". Whose lying? Joshua didn't guarantee say that any deaths would result from this crashesEdited by Cedre, : No reason given.

If its mere prediction than weather stations would have predicted these events, why not? Why didn't weather stations predict this events and save many lives. Its not mere prediction, you are kidding here. the fact is without evidence that TB Joshua guessed all of this events, quite accurately by the way, he said only one nation Fro Asia would be hit and only one nation was hit, not two not three, without any evidence you cannot claim he guessed it. You are mistaken about the burden of proof, its on you to prove that TB Joshua isn't receiving this revelations from God , the man has shown himself to be accurate concerning his prophecies, and he attributes his success to God, that's his evidence, you have to bring up enough counter evidence that all he is doing is guessing. The size of this places is irrelevant, the bottom line is just after two days of making his prophecy about a nation in Asia being struck by a flood, a flood struck India. You know what I think, I think the reason TB Joshua didn't give a specific time frame for this particular prophecy is because he knew it would be fulfilled just after two days. And he mentions tourist in relation to the second location by the way.

I think it's about time we wrapped up this endless dilation about the prophecies of TB Joshua. I think all of us has said enough and the fact is, further discussion is not going to change anyone's opinion it will only prove to be be a waste of time for all of us, therefore everyone must make up their minds regarding this issue at this point so that we can wrap this up and move over to something new, if you want to dismiss these prophecies as mere guesses go ahead it's you're call, but the time has come to reach a conclusion.In the spirit of honesty I will admit that everyone made some valid points, and not so valid points concerning the prophetic ministry of TB Joshua, all-in-all it was a stirring insightful exchange between people of differing world views, I learned something about plane crashes and I also learned something about the way people confront facts. But now I think we should all reach our conclusions regarding these prophecies. Personally, I do not think that TB Joshua based his prophecies on guesswork, I think his prophecies are little beyond guessing, in part due to their accuracy, and none of you could sufficiently demonstrate otherwise, but mostly what is amazing to me is the short amount of time within which they were fulfilled, for me this is the one thing I cannot just brush off, this is something that is a little too suspect to be overlooked. On the other hand I perfectly do understand the problem some of you have with these prophecies especially with the specificity of some of them such as the lack of clear-cut dates, I think this has deterred the bulk of you from taking these prophecies seriously and I think many more people will use that as an excuse to rule out his prophecies just like some you have, but I think the short amount of time within which the prophecies were fulfilled counter this point. A friend of mine once jokingly said to me, believers are quick to believe and disbelievers are quick to disbelieve. I think this fact has been borne out more than once throughout this thread so far. Lastly I wanna advise all of you to somehow get hold of Emmanuel TV on your private televisions its free by the way, because many a Sunday TB Joshua delivers new prophecies live, and you might wanna keep track of his newest prophecies and their success rate, maybe that will help many of you in settling once and for all if this guy is a charlatan or not, also during this live Sunday services people with all kinds of medical conditions are prayed for and often they are instantly healed, many people remove braces, throw away crutches and walkers right after being prayed for, for his prior prophecies visit scoan.com.Okay I'm not closing down the thread I'm just wrapping up the part dealing with the prophecies, now we can invest more time in discussing the miracles that are said to happen at the SCOAN. I believe by now many of you have seen some of the healing clips and have already started to form your opinions about them, if you haven't viewed any yet, they are available on YouTube you can view many of them there. Cheers!Edited by Cedre, : No reason given.Edited by Cedre, : No reason given.

Two simple answers for two simple questions: I'm not aware of any other prophecies that are ascribed to TB Joshua then the ones that are currently being displayed at his various websites and are in circulation around the web. Maybe you know of other prophecies that he made but are not being displayed at his various websites, if you do please fill me in? But as I said in my last post, TB Joshua encourages the world to watch his live Sunday services because that is when he usually delivers new prophecies, I personally encourage you, Paulk to watch his Sunday services seeing that you might be at the heart of the next prophecy he gives. That is like asking why Jesus or the ancient prophets of God didn't predict the Jewish holocaust, or the world wars or the rise of Islam, a religion that is so antagonistic to the teachings of God in the bible, and is to blame for a lot of bloodshed in our present world, and is directly responsible for the persecution of Christians throughout the middle east and Muslim Africa. As for TB Joshua he can always reply that he only tells what God shows him and if he hasn't told about something that is because God hasn't shown it to him. And then you might be tempted to ask why God hasn't shown it to him, but this isn't a question TB Joshua is expected to answer, for the obvious reason that he is not God. As a side note I'm glad that you owned up that TB Joshua is good at predicting events even if they are unimportant in your eyes. Edited by Cedre, : No reason given.

Not bad, but its interesting to note that you made your prediction in light of pending disaster, Typhoon Ketsana formed a day before you made your prediction, and you used this information to make your prediction, and the day on which you made your prediction Ketsana was considerably on the verge of making contact with land, and it was barging in quite fast. Your prediction is based on the predictions of meteorologists basically on a weather forecast Typhoon Ketsana - Wikipedia(2009)#Impacton the day of your prediction On September 24, PAGASA placed the provinces of Aurora, northern Quezon, Camarines Norte, Camarines Sur, and Catanduanes under Public Storm Warning Signal #1 which meant that winds of 30—60 km/h were expected to affect the said areas within 36 hours. Typhoon Ketsana - Wikipedia(2009)#ImpactYour so-called prophecy was not a prophecy but a repeat of what meteorologist had already predicted.Edited by Cedre, : No reason given.Edited by Cedre, : No reason given.Edited by Cedre, : No reason given.Edited by Cedre, : No reason given.Edited by Cedre, : No reason given.

Not so fast buddy, perdition is a clean-cut charlatan his perdition oops prediction is based on a weather forecast. Actually i expect you to attack his so-called prediction with the same kind of fervor you used in attacking TB Joshua's prophecies. I trust this will be a very easy trouble-free venture for you Huntard.