There you Go,YECs...biblical "evidence" of "flat earth beliefs"

I thought this thread was a joke at first. Apparently not! Oh well, here goes...

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Originally posted by LudvanB:Actually,the text of the Bible were writen well before the dark ages,whom' occured between the 12th and 16th century.

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I think you'll find the 12th to 16th century comprise what historians often refer to as the High, Late and Post-Medieval periods. The dark ages are much earlier, roughly from the fall of the Roman empire to the start of the Carolingian period. Oh and they were a European period - the Bible is Middle Eastern in origin, and they were having a jolly enlightened time while Europeans were "in the dark."
Still, I'm sure the rest of your historical analysis is right. Let's see ... [b] [QUOTE]Most of the ancient textament was writen 300 BC and the new testament was writen a mere few century after the death of christ. The many parts of the Bible were ASSEMBLED in the middle ages and TRANSLATED from the hebrew and greek to latin and then english[/b][/QUOTE]300 BC was busy year for someone! The Bible was assembled in the Middle Ages? This must have been awkward for Bishop Ulfilas of the Goths who translated the Old and New Testaments in the 4th century, or Mesrob who completed his Armenian translation in the first decade of the 5th century.

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Originally posted by LudvanB:
i would say that most historians would readily consider the spanish inquisition as the dark ages.

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I think you are confusing a casual sense of "dark ages" meaning "evil times" with the historical "Dark Ages" which was a term much used for historians for the period between the end of the Roman Empire (when learning, government and the rule of law were pretty much the norm) and the revival of learning under Charlemagne.[b] [QUOTE]I was apparantly given some bad info on when the Bible was actually writen...You did not,however,adress my initial post itself i noticed. I was not joking when i QUOTED DIRECTLY FROM THE BIBLE that the earth is described as a FLAT,IMMOBILE WORLD. Would you care to comment on that?[/b][/QUOTE]You should read some material on the development of the Bible: it is particularly useful for demolishing fundamentalist views. Here's a good link to get started, which is full of historical detail, if a little dogmatic: http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/03274a.htm
The reason I didn't respond to your original quotes is because I don't think it is a good idea to confront fundamentalism with apparent contradictions in detail - it is playing their game. Better to confront why fundamentalism is untenable in principle, rather than mistaken in trifling details. Nice try, though!

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[This message has been edited by Mister Pamboli, 02-27-2002]

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Originally posted by doctrbill:
Huh? I have no idea what you are talking about. And THAT is what I was talking about. Get it?

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My apologies if you are dyslexic. But come on! Can YOU understand what you have written?

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doctrbill, I have given up trying to fathom what Brad is saying. It's a shame, because like you, I suspect he has some intruiging things to say, but I just can't make heads or tails of his grammar and syntax. Percy has tried hard to make sense of some posts and got furhter than I have, but I think he is just taking his duties as moderator very seriously.

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Originally posted by joz:
The Greeks were very much enamoured of pi and circles/spheres so they probably reached that decision a priori based on the "perfection" of the sphere.....

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I really doubt that it was an empiricaly derived conclusion...

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It almost certainly was emprically derived. Eratosthenes was involved in mapping the trade routes of the time. Sailors can intuitively see the spherical nature of the earth by observing how ships disappear over the horizon gradually and the simple observation that the higher you are, the further you can see. There is a good, if brief explanation fo this here ...
http://www-istp.gsfc.nasa.gov/stargaze/Scolumb.htmEratosthenes' teacher, Lysania of Cyrene is thought to have been the first to have wondered how the circumference could be calculated. The information would be have been of great use in cartography.Astronomers, including Ptolemy, who were writing later than Eratosthenes remark how the spherical nature of the earth and heavens can be seen by the path of the sun and moon "round" the earth - the observations from many distances apart only make sense if there path and the earth itself are round. They do not present the information as new, so it was probably well established in the canon of
scholarly knowledge by the time they made use of it.