Where Did The (Great Flood) Water Come From And Where Did It Go?

Hi Trixie, glad to see you have an inquisitive mind. As you have noticed by now I am not very conventional for a Bible thumper.The Earth is old, very old. It was created in the beginning whenever that was.We have trillions of gallons of oil, tons and tons of coal and millions of cubic feet of natural gas in the ground.That stored energy had to get there by some method. Especially since it is found under little enough of Earth's surface to be strip mined down to depts of 15,000+ feet for oil and gas.The majority of oil is produced by marine sediment.

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Marine sediments produced the majority (about 86%) of the world’s petroleum, while deltaic and lacustrine sediments yielded smaller amounts (about 11% and 3%, respectively) (Demaison, 1993).

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This information found in a pdf here 4. Recovery of NPP as Petroleum this article is by J S DukesIn the Abstract of BURNING BURIED SUNSHINE: HUMAN CONSUMPTION OF ANCIENT SOLAR ENERGY by Jeffrery S. Dukes he states:

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Today’s average U.S. Gallon (3.8 L) of gasoline required approximately 90 metric tons of ancient plant matter as precursor material.

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The plants and animals that produced the oil that is extracted had to be on the surface of the Earth in swampy areas or at least water areas at one time.So there has to be some mechnism by which these life forms in a great quanity was available to be covered by miles of sediment. And a mechanism to cover the life forms with the sediment. It stands to reason when these areas of mass life forms was covered the water that was there at the time the sediment was provided would have been covered with the plant matter and life forms that became the oil in the Earth.I read of many times that Earth has been impacted by large asteroids that sent material into the air and even into the stratosphere. This material would have fallen back to Earth thus covering the plants and animals where it fell. Some of these impacts killed almost all life forms on Earth. Some darkened the sun for years according to what has been put forward.That is the reason I said that any water that was on Earth when it was created would be in the same area of the oil.In other words in my mind the Earth was a lot smaller at one time that it is now. Plants and animals grew as swarms on the ground and in the water and especially the swampy areas. Then material was added that covered those life forms. Then plants and animals grew as swarms and more material was added until we have what we have today.The material had to be added on top of the life forms for there to be rocks on top of the oil as the plants and other life forms had to have great pressure and heat to become oil and natural gas. Coal is a little different. We have soft coal that is basically surface coal and then we have hard coal which comes from underground mines.Now just as the oil in the ground whether on land or under water comes out of a well due to the pressure underneath it the water in springs come out due to the pressure under them. When the fountains of the deep were opened the water would have come out due to the pressure under them.But when we get to Genesis 1:2 all land mass is covered with water.The water had been deposited in the Earth along with the oil and gas.So when the flood came and water was required there was sufficient water in the ground to flood the Earth however high the highest point above sea level was.And BTW the water underground in the oceans is connected in the porous sediment layers of the Earth. The water was in one place in Genesis 1:9, 10 and the dry land was called Earth.God Bless,

Then I'm wondering where you hold the fact that there are deserts in the middle of your global flood?What about the evaporites, the termite nests, dinosaur tracks and a plethory of other evidences that show terrestrial life doing just fine in the middle of your flood?Isn't it true that you ignore these facts? Well, not all of them. Some want to project modern rates back in time indefinitely even though we know that the controls are variable through time.And then there are those past efforts that have been abandoned because they have been shown to make no sense.

Hi edge, The plant life and animal life that existed in that water is underground as much as 15,000+ feet. Not really. They existed on the face of the Earth as they covered it in Genesis 1:2.When the dry land appeared some of the water had to go somewhere for the dry land to appear as it was wet land until the water gathered to one place. How much water would it take to cover the dry land in Genesis 1:10?You need to know the area of land and the elevation of the land to determine how much water would be required.In the flat Earth thread Granny Magda presented some ancient maps
that showed a single piece of dry land surounded by water. So that is what the ancient's said existed at one time.God Bless,

Why so elaborate? Why not just propose normal sedimentary processes?

Hi edge, Where did enough normal sedimentary material come from to cover the oil with 15,000+ feet of sediment?What do you do with all the material that was added by the asteroids that caused several extinction events?There is rock between the surface of the Earth and the oil, and gas that is deep in the Earth. Where did the sediment come from that formed those rocks?God Bless,

Rising mountain chains and eroding continents. Still small when compared with the size of the earth. There is no evidence for this kind of bombardment while life was developing on earth. Plate tectonics was alread going on and to do that you would need a fully developed planetary structure. Not necessarily. Some of the early oil discoveries were in oil seeps. There is no evidence to support an extraterrestrial source for the younger rocks on earth. Source materials are pretty well known for most of the supracrustal rocks, including the petroleum reservoir rocks.If you provide an example, we can explain it.

I cannot think of any age in which there was no land mass exposed to erosion.The oceans were already there, and plate tectonics was in action. This means that there was a lithosphere, a mantle, a core and a thin skin of sedimentary rocks on top. That means that the planetary structure was mature and little different from today. Search me. Genesis is irrelevant. It was a lot of water. And you don't question these 'ancient maps'?Edited by edge, : No reason given.Edited by edge, : No reason given.

Hi edge, Then why isn't there oil on the mountains? Oh that is right there is coal on the mountains.Then why is there oil under the mountains? Yes, and some of those seeps were at pretty high elevations.The seeps were caused by the porous rock sediment and the pressure on the oil from beneath.In Texas many oil wells are at 4,000 feet, due to the pressure below it. I will return to this tomorrow.God Bless,

Hunh? You are not making sense. Because that is where it was trapped. Oil migrates, by the way. Probably, but also irrelevant. And? What is your point? Let me guess: you're from Texas...But no, it is there because that is where it was trapped.

Hi edge, Land is exposed to erosion whether it is above water or below water.But could you tell me why you are so sure there has never been a time all the land mass was covered with water?There is evidence of sea creatures all over the place. That would actually depend on the elevation and the size of the dry land, wouldn't it? Oh I question everything. But they are so old and carved in rock it would be hard to prove they are fakes.Do you ever question anything you are told by anyone other than a creationist?God Bless,

How can the water be the bottom layer of a water-plant-sediment sandwich? Surely sediment is sediment because it sediments out of water and falls to the bottom. Water comes out of springs due to the force of water running into the spring, i.e., it isn't a closed system. Last winter I came across a broken field drain. I found it because water was spouting out of the ground to a height of a foot. The break in the drain was at the bottom of a gentle slope and the drain ran straight down this slope. Because of heavy rain the drain was working at full capacity and the pressure of the water in the drain was forcing the water out of the ground at the break. The force that generated that pressure was gravity acting on the water flowing through the unbroken, uphill stretch of field drain. However, the height of the little fountain represented the amount of energy put into the system by gravity acting on the uphill water and at no time could the little fountain have risen higher that the highest point of the field drain. You can try it yourself with a garden hose bent in a U shape. You will never get the water higher in one side than it is in the other. Now lower one side of the hose, but keep the opening facing upward. With more water in the tallside, the water will flow out of the low side until, yet again, the water is the same height on both sides.Now take a bathsponge and saturate it with water. Apply pressure to the sponge by pressing down on it. What happens to the water when you do that? That's what happens to the water mixed in with sediment when more sediment falls on top, the weight of the new sediment will squeeze the water out of the lower sediment. Yes, there will be some water left, but not alot. So we're still struggling to find a mechanism that can take some of the original water from creation and put it beneath rock.Oil is different. It starts off as a solid and can be compressed by mineral sediment. The behaviour of water under pressure is totally different from dead plant and animal material under pressure. That's one of the reasons that it takes approximately 90 tonnes of material to produce 3.8 l of gasoline.I'm not sure if you're suggesting that the size of the earth grew because of constant sedimentation or because of asteroid impacts. One of the largest asteroid impacts was at Chixulub and the asteroid in question had a diameter estimated to be 10 km. The volume is therefore approximately 5,309 cubic km. You can caculate from that how thick a uniform worlwide layer would be and it's not much. I don't think asteroids added much to the size of the planet at all.If you're suggesting that the size increased because of continual sedimentation, you're forgetting that the sediment had to come from another part of the earth, so nothing is being added it's just being rearranged. How much pressure are you going to need to displace enough water to flood the entire surface of the earth? What fills the void left by the water exiting the the "chamber" it was in?In posts to other people you've stated that we need to know the elevation of the land before we can calculate how much water would be required. So far all you've committed to is a minimum of 1 inch for the land elevation which takes no account of a hill for the ark to come to rest on. You need to work out how much water needs to be in your "chambers" to flood the entire earth in your model, then see if it's feasible to have "chambers" containing that amount, then a mechanism to get it out and added to the existing volume of water a the time of the flood.

Only marginally. But that's not the point. Because I have studied the topic using a couple of textbooks on historical geology and stratigraphy. Besides all it would take is one example such as Permian evaporites, or Devonian conglomerates, or Jurassic sand dunes...Have you actually studied the geologic record? Or do you just believe what professional creationist websites tell you? Not relevant and not even true. Even if there were marine organisms in all locations, that does not mean they occurred at one time.This reminds me of one time when Fred Williams told us that the fossils in his back yard are the same as the ones on top of Longs Peak.What utter ignorance...And yet that is common in the YEC community. I didnt' say they were fakes. I said they are likely inaccurate. Do you think that people who carved maps in stone actually knew the world accurately? I am a skeptic.I always prefer to see the evidence. Creationists don't really have any.Edited by edge, : No reason given.

Well, it would depend on when you think you have a planet. I'm pretty sure there was an early bombardment period, but you are correct. Since the earliest history of the earth there have not been enough impacts to affect the mass of the earth appreciably.At present, I have heard that micrometeorites add a few tons of mass to the planet in a year. Really an insignificant amount, but they can be detected in some slowly deposited sediments.

I work on Texas oil wells every day. They range from less than 400 feet deep to about 26,000 feet deep. As often as not, the reservoirs when initially discovered have pressure in excess of that from the overburden rock because they have natural gas trapped inside in addition to oil. No "pressure below it" is involved, unless it's a water drive. If it is a water drive, gravity is the motive force behind it. That's pressure from above, not from below.

Just to amplify a little bit... The BB codes don't work very well on this, but the source is here:Page not found – FESAus:Edited by edge, : No reason given.Edited by edge, : No reason given.Edited by edge, : Try to get codes to work...