Is God good?

Again, your opinion is irrelevant and you are denying all the Biblical references to Christ as propitiation for our sins, as Lamb of God who taketh away the sins of the world.Actually the whole Biblical gospel is sung in Handel's "Messiah" which I like to listen to at this time of year. Here is a performance of it for your enjoyment and edification:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bEy1ktHTPaMI wonder why Handel immortalized the true Protestant gospel in such glorious music that has been celebrated ever since if this is such a minority view?Edited by Faith, : No reason given.Edited by Faith, : No reason given.Edited by Faith, : No reason given.

Handel wrote what he could get paid for.But the fact remains that you do not speak for all Protestants and you make God look like a fool, Jesus no more than a burnt offering and you diminish all the value of Jesus' life and teaching."The Messiah" is nice, this time of year I prefer Amahl and the Night Visitors.But that does not change the fact that you just make God look like a fool instead of good, reduce Jesus to nothing more than a burnt offering and totally devalue Jesus' life and teachings.If you are happy with such a pitiful God and religion then that's fine.

Handel nevertheless wrote music worthy of the gospel, and according to some sources he even said he felt the presence of the "Great God" as he wrote it. In any case he gave us great music to express the gospel of SALVATION THROUGH CHRIST'S PROPITIATORY SACRIFICE FOR THE SINS OF THOSE WHO BELIEVE IN HIM.Here, give another listen:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bEy1ktHTPaMHere's the Libretto so you can follow along, including scripture references:
http://opera.stanford.edu/iu/libretti/messiah.htmEdited by Faith, : No reason given.

Yup, it's a nice work.But irrelevant.I know the belief you try to market is popular but that makes sense, it's a cheap product, makes money, is easy to sell and has no product liability.But it does not make God look good, just a fool, and makes Jesus little more than a burnt offering and totally diminishes Jesus' life and teachings.It's a great product to sell from the tailgate of a medicine wagon or from a carny booth.

Which distinguishes me from what the reformers did, how?

Thank you for at least saying my belief is POPULARsince so many here don't even know that but think it's MINORITY, of all the crazy ideas.Your denigrations are ludicrous in the light of the tremendous beauty of the music written in honor of the gospel and in light of the great minds who have believed it and taught it down the centuries.Here it is again, I want everyone to have a chance to hear it, so many here who apparently don't have a clue about the tremendous CULTURE behind the TRUE GOSPEL OF CHRIST AS GOD WHO BECAME MAN AND DIED TO PAY FOR THE SINS OF THOSE WHO BELIEVE IN HIM which was taught by the PROTESTANT REFORMERS:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bEy1ktHTPaMHere's the Libretto so you can follow along, including scripture references:
http://opera.stanford.edu/iu/libretti/messiah.htmEdited by Faith, : No reason given.

Sure it's popular; as I said it is an easy sell.And yup, it's a nice work.But irrelevant.I know the belief you try to market is popular but that makes sense, it's a cheap product, makes money, is easy to sell and has no product liability.But it does not make God look good, just a fool, and makes Jesus little more than a burnt offering and totally diminishes Jesus' life and teachings.It's a great product to sell from the tailgate of a medicine wagon or from a carny booth but it still does not make God look good or even very bright.AbE:They are right that it really is a minority position though, one not supported by most of the Christian denominations and certainly not supported by any of the other major religions, even the other religions that worship the same God like Islam and Judaism.Edited by jar, : see AbE:

But yours is?
The pomposity is astounding.

That didn't answer my question. But if you don't want to divulge your denomination that is fine.

I consider myself part of a CALVINIST BAPTIST Church, didn't I say that? That IS a denomination.Edited by Faith, : No reason given.

His opinion about Protestant doctrine that goes against the entire history of Protestantism? You BET that's irrelevant!Again, I am not presenting some personal opinion here, I'm presenting the essentials of Protestant doctrine going back to the Reformation and actually all the way back to the apostles, and I can quote dozens if you need me to.Edited by Faith, : No reason given.

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In March 2009, noting the rise of Calvinism in the United States, Time listed several Baptists among current Calvinist leaders.[5] Albert Mohler, president of the Southern Baptist Theological Seminary, is a strong advocate of Calvinism, although his stand has received opposition from inside the Southern Baptist Convention.[6] John Piper, pastor at Bethlehem Baptist Church in Minneapolis, is one of several Baptists who have written in support of Calvinism.[6]

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While the Southern Baptist Convention remains split on Calvinism,[7] there are a number of explicitly Reformed Baptist groups in the United States, including the Association of Reformed Baptist Churches of America,[8] the Continental Baptist Churches,[8] the Sovereign Grace Baptist Association of Churches,[8] and other Sovereign Grace Baptists.[9] Such groups have had some theological influence from other Reformed denominations, such as the Orthodox Presbyterian Church.[10] The Orthodox Presbyterian Church was also the source of the Trinity Hymnal, which was adapted for Reformed Baptist use.[11]

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By the year 2000, Reformed Baptist groups in the United States totalled about 16,000 people in 400 congregations.

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Seems a few denominations fit under that umbrella.
Seems to be a bit of a minority in Protestantism.

Thou savorest not of the things of God, jar, as the Lord Jesus told Peter who had said something along the lines you are saying, about how it wouldn't be right for Him to die. "Far be it from You," Peter said, as if it would be something shameful and not worthy of Him.And it was shameful to die such a death, but He did it for us and scripture says He "despised the shame" because He knew what He was doing, whereas you haven't a clue, you judge by your fallen mind and not by the things of God. The Lord called Peter "Satan" too, wonder what He's going to say to you when you stand before Him: But you are even worse than Peter: If that were so it would be a LOT more popular than it is, but we know it is "foolishness" to "those who are perishing" which I'm afraid only too obviously describes you. All you are doing is calling the gospel "foolish" and I for one am SO happy to be called foolish for trusting in Christ's sacrifice on the cross for me: I guess I can keep saying it: it is THE essential teaching of all churches that are truly in the line of the Protestant Reformation and that's a huge number of denominations. Of course it's not supported by nonChristians. They do not worship the same God, jar, and you know it (of course you don't worship the Christian God either so why should I be surprised?). Essential Christian doctrine is that Christ IS God but Islam regards Christ as a mere prophet and considers it blasphemy to call Him God or to say that God has a Son, and Judaism rejected Christ so that's that.Edited by Faith, : No reason given.Edited by Faith, : No reason given.Edited by Faith, : No reason given.

Yes it's not a large group, I just "lucked" into it you could say, it's known for GREAT teaching, solid Reformation-based teaching.But as I keep saying, I nevertheless consider myself a member of the whole Protestant family, who all agree on the solas of the Reformation as the gospel of salvation, and although I disagree with some of them on secondary points I expect to see them all with the Lord at the last day.Edited by Faith, : No reason given.Edited by Faith, : No reason given.

Ah yes, Calvinism. Let's hear it from the horse's mouth --- from Calvin in his Institutes of the Christian Religion.* "I confess, indeed, that all the descendants of Adam fell by the Divine will into that miserable condition in which they are now involved, and this is what I asserted from the beginning, that we must always return at last to the determination of God's will alone, the cause of which is hidden in himself." (3.23)* "I inquire again, how it came to pass that the fall of Adam should involve so many nations with their infant children in eternal death, but because such was the will of God." (3.23)* "God not only foresaw the fall of the first man, and the ruin of his posterity in him, but also arranged all by the determination of his own will." (3.23)* "Every action and motion of every creature is so governed by the hidden counsel of God, that nothing can come to pass, but what was ordained by him." (1.16)* "Men do nothing save at the secret instigation of God, and do not discuss and deliberate on any thing but what he has previously decreed with himself and brings to pass by his secret direction." (1.18)* "God bends all the reprobate, and even Satan himself, at his will." (1.18)* "Satan himself performs his part, just as he is impelled, and succeeds only in so far as he is permitted." (1.18)* "These things, which men do perversely, are of God, and are ruled by his secret providence." (1.18)* "The wills of men are so governed by the will of God, that they are carried on straight to the mark which he has fore-ordained." (1.16)* "All the wicked did nothing but what the hand and counsel of God had decreed." (1.18)* "Thieves, murderers, and other malefactors are God's instruments, which he uses to execute what he hath decreed in himself." (1.17)* "Nothing is more absurd than to think anything at all is done but by the ordination of God." (1.16)This might be a good time to return to the topic of this thread.Edited by Dr Adequate, : No reason given.Edited by Dr Adequate, : No reason given.