Is God good?

Babies don't have wicked thoughts or commit violence.I may not be supposed to judge him but, you know, he gave me a brain and a sense of morality so I apply it and it tells me that anything that murders millions of babies for no reason other than the supposed sins of their parents is evil.It looks to me like your God is a revenous wolf.15 Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves.16 Ye shall know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes of thorns, or figs of thistles?17 Even so every good tree bringeth forth good fruit; but a corrupt tree bringeth forth evil fruit.18 A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither can a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit.19 Every tree that bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire.20 Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them.

Those are all real quotations, I checked.

And Calvin says that they wouldn't have committed this violence except that God expressly willed and ordained it. (See my quotations, supra.) And Calvin says that the inheritance of sin is not in nature, and therefore requires God to do a miracle in order for this to happen at all.

If you don't think it's appropriate to judge god, then why are you participating in a thread where the express topic is to do exactly that?Regardless of what lesson was supposed to be learned from the Flood...if it were to have actually happened, it would have been a reprehensible wicked act. You continue jaywill's tactics of blaming the victims and special pleading, but like him, it doesn't help you.Killing every man, woman, and child on Earth except for 8 people would constitute the largest scale mass murder in the history of the planet. That's the very definition of evil.

Not according to the Bible:

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Isaiah 45

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7 I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the Lord do all these things.

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People die. The Bible says that God killed them directly, but they may have died in acts of nature or circumstances of natural origin. Newborn babies are not accountable to anyone...if they die they die. Adults are another matter spiritually. Fact is, however, we all die.

What? Really, what?God deliberately killed all life on the planet except a handlull of people and a couple of each of the 'kinds'. That's deliberately, with malice aforethought. With intent. He gave warning of it, then did it. That's considered, pre-planned genocide. That's the worst crime that we humans can imagine. The very worst.But if babies "die they die". Are you seriously that callous, that un-Christian?What on earth do you believe and how could you even consider it sane, moral, human or - god help me - Godly

You have gone beyond your typical psuedophilosophical woo and stepped into the bounds of offensive now.It is ok for god to kill babies cuz, you know, they are just babies.That is offensive to anyone with any sense of morals.

Imagine that someone had killed your neighbours' newborn.What would the reaction be if you said: "Newborn babies are not accountable to anyone...if they die they die."
What do you think your neighbours would feel if you said that to them?Edited by Panda, : No reason given.

That IS the gospel and the scripture quotes I gave confirm that it is the gospel, it is the gospel of the cross, the gospel that Christ died for our sins and you are calling THAT gospel, the TRUE gospel, foolish. That is contrary to scripture. The wages of sin is death, someone completely without sin cannot die. Jesus COULD NOT DIE because He had no sin in Him. Scripture says he CHOSE to die, bearing OUR sins. He died for US, for our sins. The gospel I "market" which is a lying term in itself because it is not SOLD, it is FREE, but that gospel IS the gospel of salvation, there is no other, it is the gospel taught by all the Reformers and passed down to all the evangelical and Protestant and fundamental churches that inherit the Reformation.Paul said of someone who brings a false gospel, as you are doing, "Let him be accursed." Jesus IS God. Anyone who lies about these things and influences anyone else to believe the lies, causing others to be damned who might have been saved had they not been dissuaded from the truth of salvation, is looking at eternity in one of the deepest hells. I certainly call it good that the Son of God Himself was sent by the Father to die in the place of millions of sinners so that we wouldn't have to bear our own punishment in hell. That is a very very good God.And you aren't going to get to benefit from it. Edited by Faith, : No reason given.Edited by Faith, : No reason given.Edited by Faith, : No reason given.

That's "evil" in the sense of calamity which God brings as judgment, that is not "evil" in the sense of sin which scripture says God cannot commit.Edited by Faith, : No reason given.

How twisted it is that everyone here is carrying on about God's including babies in the great judgment of the Flood as if that were a great evil, though it is the judgment of God who cannot sin, but they approve of killing babies in the womb. What a bunch of hypocrites.

Faith, you're attacking your opponents instead of their arguments. Abortion is not the topic. The topic is also not "is (insert poster here) good?"The topic is "Is God good?"Your opponents, including myself, may or may not be hypocrites. That has absolutely no bearing on whether or not your god is good.And, of course, since your god is a mass murderer (as portrayed by the fiction of the Bible), he is evil.

You are trying to hold me responsible for something Calvin said which I haven't studied. I don't have to agree with everything he said in order to be a Calvinist or belong to a Calvinist Baptist church, and i don't have to account to you for anything he said.Whether he is right or not about how we inherit sin through Adam I haven't studied and I don't know. Perhaps he is right. I know we are "in Christ" when we become believers the same way we were "in Adam" through natural birth. Whether that is through nature or decree of God i have no opinion but the fact is true, that we do inherit Adam's sin.

Yawn.Sorry but childish taunts carry no weight.But nothing you posted has any bearing on what I said.The gospel you market make God look like a fool, makes Jesus nothing more than a burnt offering and totally diminishes the value of Jesus life and teachings and you say I am contrary to scripture and lying? You keep asserting that you have the TRUTH^TM which can only be described as an example of extreme hubris.I admit that what you try to sell is cheap and so attractive, but as I said above it just diminishes God to a pitiful caricature of anything worthy of respect or worship. It's the gospel of "What's in it for me" and one that Jesus laugh about.Worry not though, I will pray for your soul and I imagine God is big enough to forgive you.If you want we can play dueling quote mines if you want. That's one of the neat things about the Bible, it is filled with so many contradictions that you can support any position with a Biblical quote.But according to the Bible stories, Jesus was not without sin. He showed times when he was selfish, snapped at his mother, had temper tantrums and doubts. While he was here alive with us He was just human, and anyone born of woman will die.