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Dr Adequate
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Message 376 of 722 (683511)
12-11-2012 12:54 PM
Reply to: Message 375 by jaywill
12-11-2012 11:43 AM


Where is a standard of good out there that makes the whole notion of evil intelligible? I think you must have a transcendent concept of moral duty to, or moral obligation to something that has given man this standard to which goodness is owed.
No, I just like people and therefore wish that no harm should come to them. I don't need to feel an obligation to an abstract "something" which tells me to love my neighbor, I can take a short-cut and feel an obligation to my neighbor to love my neighbor. This seems to me to work out better than imagining what might please the sadistic lunatic portrayed in the Bible.
I can see why you'd rather wrestle with the delimma of Jersey Shore's popularity.
You asked what I couldn't account for. I can readily account for my preference for good over evil.

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Faith 
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Message 377 of 722 (683520)
12-11-2012 2:42 PM
Reply to: Message 374 by New Cat's Eye
12-11-2012 10:19 AM


Re: Is God Good? & MAINSTREAM BASIC BIBLE CHRISTIANITY
Check that passage in other translations. Some of them have "calamity" there. That's what the word means in that context.
Edited by Faith, : No reason given.

He who surrenders the first page of his Bible surrenders all. --John William Burgon, Inspiration and Interpretation, Sermon II.

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Message 378 of 722 (683522)
12-11-2012 2:44 PM
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12-11-2012 9:00 AM


Thank you, Larni, although Drosophilia has no cause to attribute murder to anyone who believes as I do. They can't be believers who do that.

He who surrenders the first page of his Bible surrenders all. --John William Burgon, Inspiration and Interpretation, Sermon II.

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Faith 
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Message 379 of 722 (683524)
12-11-2012 2:44 PM
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12-11-2012 8:27 AM


Thank you, Crash.

He who surrenders the first page of his Bible surrenders all. --John William Burgon, Inspiration and Interpretation, Sermon II.

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New Cat's Eye
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Message 380 of 722 (683525)
12-11-2012 2:50 PM
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12-11-2012 2:42 PM


Re: Is God Good? & MAINSTREAM BASIC BIBLE CHRISTIANITY
Check that passage in other translations. Many of them have "calamity" there. That's what the word means in that context.
What was that you were saying before about the King James Version being the best (which is what I quoted from)?
But oh, if it shows you being wrong, well then, piss on it this time!
You're hilarious.

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kofh2u
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Message 381 of 722 (683526)
12-11-2012 2:52 PM
Reply to: Message 376 by Dr Adequate
12-11-2012 12:54 PM


SUM OF THE LAW
No, I just like people and therefore wish that no harm should come to them.
I don't need to feel an obligation to an abstract "something" which tells me to love my neighbor, I can take a short-cut and feel an obligation to my neighbor to love my neighbor.
This seems to me to work out better than imagining what might please the sadistic lunatic portrayed in the Bible.
If you practice what you preach here you are just a practicing whatreligious teahers have been trying to get others to do.
Apparently, most all people, but you, need those lessons.
So why knock the efforts oif people who just want more people to abide your philosophy????
Romans 13:10
Love worketh no ill to his neighbour: therefore love is the fulfilling of the law.
Galatians 5:14
For all the law is fulfilled in one word, even in this; Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself
James 2:8
If ye fulfil the royal law according to the scripture, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself, ye do well:

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Faith 
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Message 382 of 722 (683528)
12-11-2012 2:55 PM
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12-11-2012 2:50 PM


King James Bible
Yeah I can explain that too.
The KJV IS the best translation but it DOES need to be updated and it hasn't been updated in a long time because of the wily actions of the revising committee of 1881 which substituted some corrupt Greek texts and did 36000 unnecessary changes in the English. They were supposed to do a minimal updating. Since they didn't we have dozens of new corrupted "translations" that spun off that corrupted revision that are not trustworthy overall although here and there they use more modern words that the KJV would benefit from. The KJV still needs some small corrections. We no longer use the word "evil" the way the KJV did in that passage. It had the right meaning when it was originally used.
OK?
Edited by Faith, : No reason given.
Edited by Faith, : No reason given.
Edited by Faith, : No reason given.

He who surrenders the first page of his Bible surrenders all. --John William Burgon, Inspiration and Interpretation, Sermon II.

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jar
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Message 383 of 722 (683529)
12-11-2012 2:59 PM
Reply to: Message 382 by Faith
12-11-2012 2:55 PM


Re: King James Bible
Well the KJV (actually the King James Authorized Version) was meant to be a politically correct Bible designed to not irritate Roman Catholics or Protestants yet maintain and reinforce the Divine Right of Kings more than being theologically correct or accurate.

Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!

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1.61803
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Message 384 of 722 (683530)
12-11-2012 3:00 PM
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12-11-2012 2:50 PM


Re: Is God Good? & MAINSTREAM BASIC BIBLE CHRISTIANITY
Oh the contortions one must do to keep my faith and beliefs true.

"You were not there for the beginning. You will not be there for the end. Your knowledge of what is going on can only be superficial and relative" William S. Burroughs

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Faith 
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Message 385 of 722 (683532)
12-11-2012 3:03 PM
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12-11-2012 2:59 PM


Re: King James Bible
It irritated the Roman Catholics no end. They've been trying to get rid of it ever since. There is reason to believe they were behind the corrupted Greek texts of the revision of 1881, which were most likely forgeries although that hasn't yet been proved for sure. They were at least corrupted by heretics in the early years according to Dean Burgon who did an extensive critique of the Revision. And there is also reason to believe that the RC are behind the multiplication of translations which are a blight on the church.

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Faith 
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Message 386 of 722 (683533)
12-11-2012 3:04 PM
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12-11-2012 3:00 PM


Re: Is God Good? & MAINSTREAM BASIC BIBLE CHRISTIANITY
You betcha. There are always evil people trying to undermine the true faith and often getting away with it.

He who surrenders the first page of his Bible surrenders all. --John William Burgon, Inspiration and Interpretation, Sermon II.

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New Cat's Eye
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Message 387 of 722 (683534)
12-11-2012 3:06 PM
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12-11-2012 2:55 PM


Re: King James Bible
OK?
If you want to come off as someone who has no honesty with themselves or other people and will say anything they have to in order to maintain the beliefs they've already decided they must adhere to... yeah, if that's okay then its OK.

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New Cat's Eye
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Message 388 of 722 (683535)
12-11-2012 3:09 PM
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12-11-2012 3:03 PM


Re: King James Bible
It irritated the Roman Catholics no end. They've been trying to get rid of it ever since.
sigh
I grew up through 12 years of Catholic education and we used the King James Version of the Bible that whole time.
Seems to be an odd way of trying to get rid of it. But, you know, facts don't really matter when you've already made your mind up.

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Faith 
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Message 389 of 722 (683536)
12-11-2012 3:09 PM
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12-11-2012 3:06 PM


Re: King James Bible
YOu can go read my blog on on the 1881 Bible Revision if you like, I've quoted a lot of people on this subject. It's an important controversy in the church.
The Great Bible Hoax of 1881

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Faith 
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Message 390 of 722 (683537)
12-11-2012 3:11 PM
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12-11-2012 3:09 PM


Re: King James Bible
Things are a lot more convoluted than you have any idea. You will also now find the RC claiming that they had a hand in the King James translation. Ha ha ha. They'll take any position necessary if it will confuse things.

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