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jaywill Member (Idle past 1972 days) Posts: 4519 From: VA USA Joined: |
God said that grace was all he was getting - i.e. he wasn't going to be healed. Its too bad that you don't realize like Paul what a treasuregrace was. Do you have something better than the grace of God ?What is it? Edited by jaywill, : No reason given. Edited by jaywill, : No reason given. Edited by jaywill, : No reason given.
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jar Member (Idle past 424 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined:
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NSAIDs and MRIs and Insulin and Cat Scans and vaccines and antibiotics and ...
Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!
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jaywill Member (Idle past 1972 days) Posts: 4519 From: VA USA Joined: |
So you've decided to stop defending forced marriages? Good, because those forced marriages were preceded by and included rape. That's right. What you called 'facilitated them being integrated into Israelite society' is rape. I also see that you are no longer trying to label owning people and their descendants as chattel as indentured servitude. How do you know for certain that Deut. 21:10-14 is absolultely a forced marriage ? Can you produce any rabbinical writings indicating rape and forced marriage was understood by Jewish scholars in Deut. 21:10-14 ? Produce your evidence that rape and forced marriage is the only or even major rabbinical interpretation of that passage. While you are at it you can produce proof that the passage calls for the woman to be fully naked in the house for one month. (If you were the poster claiming that was the meaning of her putting off the cloths of her captivity). It just discard "her captive's garb" not discard her garb or all garb.
"You must not treat her as a slave" (v.14) Prove to me that the Jewish master was permitted to rape his slave. Chapter and verse -
"AFTER that [her mourning] you may go into her and be her husband." (v.13) Prove that the Hebrew man was permitted with no penalty to go into a female before becomming her husband. Where is the instruction? Where does it occur without some associated discipline, fine to the family or other punishment ? And why did it say IF she's beautiful and you desire to MARRY ?
"suppose you see among the captives a beautiful woman whom you desire AND WANT TO MARRY" (v.11 NRSV) Why didn't it just STOP at " ... beautiful woman whom you desire " [period] ? If rape was the will of God than that is ALL that was needed to be said. You saw her and you desired her not "you desire AND WANT TO MARRY" " You must not treat her as a slave , since you have dishonored her" (v.14) If to have sex with her and send her away is the "dishonor" her what makes you think rape is suggested ? Explain your logic with something else beside pompous selfrighteous grumbling. Do some home work and produce some evidence that your exegesis is at least accepted among either OT or NT scholars.
Double talk. If your argument were a bit better they might rise to the level of being sophistry.
You are about to show us all how to back up your own interpretation. Better get busy. I expect you to produce evidence that Deut. 21:10-14 is definitely, without any doubt a divine ordination to RAPE and that the captive woman has absolutely NO other choice but a forced marriage. That's your next post I hope. Edited by jaywill, : No reason given. Edited by jaywill, : No reason given. Edited by jaywill, : No reason given. Edited by jaywill, : No reason given. Edited by jaywill, : No reason given. Edited by jaywill, : No reason given.
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ringo Member (Idle past 442 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
jaywill writes:
It's true that I don't consider, "I could kill you but I won't," a treasure. I would consider your god just leaving me alone a treasure.
Its too bad that you don't realize like Paul what a treasuregrace was.
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Theodoric Member Posts: 9202 From: Northwest, WI, USA Joined: Member Rating: 3.4 |
Years ago I was told that some serious venereal diseases entered into the human sphere from ANIMALS. This means that humans had sex with animals and introduced these venereal diseases into people. School yard stories are not evidence. You should research before you speak. Some venereal diseases came from consuming primates not fucking them. Edited by Theodoric, : Sorry kid must have hit something before I postedFacts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts "God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.
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NoNukes Inactive Member |
How do you know for certain that Deut. 21:10-14 is absolultely a forced marriage ? Why don't you tell me how you escape that conclusion. Can you produce any rabbinical writings indicating that a captive's meaningful consent was required before the marriage. Certainly none is included in the text. If you want to go beyond the text, then you should get going.
While you are at it you can produce proof that the passage calls for the woman to be fully naked in the house for one month. I don't believe 'naked for a month' to be a correct interpretation. Perhaps you should address that demand to someone else.
And why did it say IF she's beautiful and you desire to MARRY ? "suppose you see among the captives a beautiful woman whom you desire AND WANT TO MARRY" You truly see nothing problematic here? I think you do. Why did you select the NSRV translation here? And what kind of ceremony do you think is implied by "and after that thou shalt go in unto her"?
If to have sex with her and send her away is the "dishonor" her what makes you think rape is suggested ? That would be the sex under the circumstances where you killed off her family and the male members of her tribe. I don't care about the month of mourning. I do care about the the unilateral decision about who gets the honor of becoming your third wife in those circumstances. Edited by NoNukes, : No reason given.Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846) The apathy of the people is enough to make every statue leap from its pedestal and hasten the resurrection of the dead. William Lloyd Garrison. If there is no struggle, there is no progress. Those who profess to favor freedom, and deprecate agitation, are men who want crops without plowing up the ground, they want rain without thunder and lightning. Frederick Douglass
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kofh2u Member (Idle past 3850 days) Posts: 1162 From: phila., PA Joined: |
It's true that I don't consider, "I could kill you but I won't," a treasure. I would consider your god just leaving me alone a treasure.
In what way does God annoy people except in promoting sexual prudence against the culture that bothers everyone to notice nakedness and a focus on sexual promiscuity? That Christians push back against this destructive force that destroys the Family and eventually the nation seems no more aggressive or unfair than the purveyors of pornography in advertising and the media in general everywhere.
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kofh2u Member (Idle past 3850 days) Posts: 1162 From: phila., PA Joined: |
Do you have something better than the grace of God ?
The grace of our god is that man has the ability to image Truth and hence cope with the facts-of-life. Who can argue with that? John 14:6 Jesus saith unto him, I am the truth, the way, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.
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jaywill Member (Idle past 1972 days) Posts: 4519 From: VA USA Joined: |
School yard stories are not evidence. That info did not come to me in a school yard. I am trying to locate the source for my own curiosity.
You should research before you speak. Some venereal diseases came from consuming primates.
I didn't say that other ways could not be the cause as well. Did I ? And you just didn't do anything that I failed to do, Ie. just assert something with no reference. Edited by jaywill, : No reason given. Edited by jaywill, : No reason given. Edited by jaywill, : No reason given. Edited by jaywill, : No reason given.
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jaywill Member (Idle past 1972 days) Posts: 4519 From: VA USA Joined: |
I would consider your god just leaving me alone a treasure. You mean you would like to revoke His sunshine, His rain, His air, His gravity, His process of human love, marriage, birth, growth, etc. You would like to revoke His entire creation from under your feet and from over your head. The sound mind He blessed you with, you wish He hadn't bothered too? The use of your limbs, organs, legs, hands for what purposes you prefer, you wish He had not granted those blessings as well ? In spite of some typical hassles that all people in the world face, you have been granted many days of happiness with friends and to persue the things you like. No thanks to God for that either huh? You just wish God would leave you alone. You sound like a real spoiled brat. And why do you come to Bible Study ? That's perculiar. Most people who hate baseball know better than to hang around Yankee Stadium. They might have to watch something about baseball. Get out of here already. Edited by jaywill, : No reason given. Edited by jaywill, : No reason given. Edited by jaywill, : No reason given.
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Theodoric Member Posts: 9202 From: Northwest, WI, USA Joined: Member Rating: 3.4 |
I actually did misspeak. One theory is some came from exposure to the body fluids when butchering.
You can read anything about origins of HIV in order to read the evidence. HIV - WikipediaFacts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts "God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.
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kofh2u Member (Idle past 3850 days) Posts: 1162 From: phila., PA Joined: |
The problem is not so much that the Jews did these things way back when. The problem is with their claims that God told them to do all of those things.
1.33 Billion muslims still hear God saying pretty muchthe same thing, don't they? God de facto created men who KNOW that the sexually promiscuous liberal progressive feminist attitude is destructive to the family. The message is that this behavior will lead to extinction because man, the social anomal he is, is not adapting to the nature he must in order to avoid extinction.
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NoNukes Inactive Member |
1.33 Billion muslims still hear God saying pretty muchthe same thing, don't they? No, I don't believe God said that stuff to anyone. Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846) The apathy of the people is enough to make every statue leap from its pedestal and hasten the resurrection of the dead. William Lloyd Garrison. If there is no struggle, there is no progress. Those who profess to favor freedom, and deprecate agitation, are men who want crops without plowing up the ground, they want rain without thunder and lightning. Frederick Douglass
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jar Member (Idle past 424 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
God de facto created men who KNOW that the sexually promiscuous liberal progressive feminist attitude is destructive to the family. Far from being good, that god sounds like a reactionary bigot and misogynist.Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!
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jaywill Member (Idle past 1972 days) Posts: 4519 From: VA USA Joined: |
Dr. Adaquate, a number of posts back, supplied a link on research into writings which were listed under the bans of Nazis.
His evidence included something called "primitive Darwin" and this recommendation also -
quote: Then I came across these examples Hitler's more hostil words against Christianity. They well could have qualified to be banned as well. For they ridicule, belittle and besmirch the Christian faith. Quotations attributed to Adolf Hitler are from Hitler's Table Talk [London: Weidenfeld & Nicholson, 1953 ]:
quote: When I sort through the mass hysteria and confusion which was the Third Reich I have to include these examples of what Hitler's real attitude was about Christianity. Edited by jaywill, : No reason given. Edited by jaywill, : No reason given. Edited by jaywill, : No reason given. Edited by jaywill, : No reason given. Edited by jaywill, : "I shall [NEVER] come personally to terms with the Christian lie"
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