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PaulK Member Posts: 17828 Joined: Member Rating: 2.5 |
If you know the truth, why are you denying it ?
The science of geology exists, Faith. It rejected the young Earth and the Flood because the evidence showed otherwise. This is fact. Denying it only discredits you and your faith.
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PaulK Member Posts: 17828 Joined: Member Rating: 2.5
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quote: I don't think we should. Not if you are really trying to debate honestly. Denying clear facts just because you don't like them is the opposite of that. If you cannot even admit that he science of geology exists then too bad for you. You might as well leave right now because you are too mired in falsehood and pride to stand a chance - of winning or even engaging in genuinely honest discussion.
quote: I'll agree with that. But you don't - not really. Hurling lies and slander at the science that contradicts your beliefs pretty much proves. Every time you insist that you don't reject science you go and disprove your own claim.
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PaulK Member Posts: 17828 Joined: Member Rating: 2.5 |
How can you believe that the evidence supports you when you put so much effort into trying to pretend it doesn't exist ?
Seriously Faith, denying reality is not a winning strategy. Nor is complaining that your opponents disagree with you.
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PaulK Member Posts: 17828 Joined: Member Rating: 2.5
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quote: Really ? Or is this one of those things that just "seems true" to you (and isn't at all) Evidence please.
quote: Well, you could admit that your statement was silly and wrong, but I guess you refuse to see that. (Really, why would the soil remain loose and unlithified if the sediment above it did not ?)
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PaulK Member Posts: 17828 Joined: Member Rating: 2.5
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Try thinking about what you are saying. The only person who should expect loose fragments between strata is you, with your bizarre ideas about angular unconformities.
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PaulK Member Posts: 17828 Joined: Member Rating: 2.5
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quote: The idea that we should expect to find loose soil between strata. Surely that would only happen if modern soil managed to infiltrate the rock.
quote: My words are often less harsh than you deserve. You go around pronouncing the daft things you make up as facts. You harshly and falsely condemn those who disagree with you - often simply in an attempt to discredit their statements. You aggressively defend your errors - how long did it take to get you to admit that you were wrong about the Chinle Formation ? And you get hurt when people point out that you are wrong and that you are reluctant to admit your errors ? What amazing hypocrisy.
quote: Usually because there is good reason in your own posts. Seriously you wonder why I suggest that there are things that "seem true" to you - and aren't ? How about this:
Seems to me "a lot of terrestrial dinosaurs distributed through marine geology" has been shown.
From this thread. And followed up not by any actual examples but one piece of bizarre speculation and some "maybes" - none of which had been mentioned befor.
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PaulK Member Posts: 17828 Joined: Member Rating: 2.5
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quote: Then why are you forced to resort to misrepresentations, falsehoods and denying the evidence and the facts ?
quote: And that is sheer unjustified nastiness - far, far worse than the criticisms you complain about. Is it any wonder people say "harsh" things about you ? Thank you for providing such a timely demonstration.
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PaulK Member Posts: 17828 Joined: Member Rating: 2.5 |
Of course, I already pointed out that it was possible for bodies to drift out to sea - without any knowledge of these fossils.
And if we only find a few such remains amidst large amounts of fossilised sea life that would be the sensible explanation. This is why I asked for large numbers of dinosaur remains in marine strata - because if you are trying to show that there is no relation between the environment inferred from the geologic record and the fossil life found there a few expected anomalies are simply not good enough.
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PaulK Member Posts: 17828 Joined: Member Rating: 2.5 |
quote: While it is likely that the image came from Glen Mortons site, Morton was hardly "converted" by it. Morton actually worked as a geologist and discovered that the Flood Geology that he had been taught by the ICR was worthless - unlike the geology offered by mainstream science.
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PaulK Member Posts: 17828 Joined: Member Rating: 2.5 |
quote: But as I have previously pointed out, this is not true. The rocks do not neatly fit into the periods of the geological timescale. The Wingate Sandstone, for instance crosses the boundary between the Triassic and the Jurassic Message 61 quote: Reality has done no such thing. Nobody says that it has. It is just your misreading of diagrams - as usual.
quote: Reality is considerably more blurry than you suggest. I also not that the fossil record is rather spotty in many respects. And if you really think that evolution has anything to do with the geological column at any region as you seem to imply, you are even more mistaken than I imagined.
quote: Appealing to a ridiculously simplistic overview while ignoring the details we know is hardly a sensible argument. In fact I see it as a strong indication that you realise that the evidence disproves the flood. Nobody desperately seeks excuses to pretend that they are right unless they know that the evidence is against them.
quote: That is a very odd way to describe a simple fact.
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PaulK Member Posts: 17828 Joined: Member Rating: 2.5 |
There is nothing civilised in pretending that you arguments are any better than they are,
If your arguments rely on an exceedingly superficial and simplistic examination of the evidence - and reject any deeper examination - then they can only be regarded as an attempted deception. What possible reason could there be for a refusal to look further, but the expectation that the whole thing will fall apart ? If you cannot accept the thoroughly deserved criticisms of your arguments then you are not worth taking seriously.
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PaulK Member Posts: 17828 Joined: Member Rating: 2.5 |
With regard to the Wingate being an exception there Is an important issue that I wish to point out:
In the absence of directly datable material - which is not that common - we simply have no way of knowing whether the divide between two strata corresponds to a change of geological period or not. The division between the strata itself is the only convenient marker at that location. In all likelihood, then, the situation is typically that we are able to mostly date a formation to one period, but unless we find clear evidence from a later period - and we may not because the transition itself would be fuzzy and the evidence we need might not even be present, let alone eaisily found, the formation would be assigned to one period even if it happened to straddle the boundary.
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PaulK Member Posts: 17828 Joined: Member Rating: 2.5
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quote: Of course, even those of us who are neither geologists or archaeologists can have an understanding of the methods and an appreciation of the work that has gone into making them reliable. Which is why we are not going to be easily convinced that they do not work. Mere assertion or that fact that the dates contradict beliefs with little to no supporting evidence are hopelessly inadequate as arguments.
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PaulK Member Posts: 17828 Joined: Member Rating: 2.5
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quote: Which would wipe out all the land animals, right ? Genesis 7:17-23 says so. So you are telling us that these tracks were made, and survived during that period ? While the land was being scoured ?
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PaulK Member Posts: 17828 Joined: Member Rating: 2.5 |
quote: The point is not about "accomplishing the whole Flood", the point is that the animals are all killed in the 40 days. Which, given your description, sounds pretty much inevitable.
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