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But Faith, the conditions posed by your fantasy simply never existed.You need to show the actual evidence that there was a point when there is absolutely nothing left to sustain them and so far you have utterly failed to do so.If someone claims to have shot and hit a target there MUST be evidence that the target was hit. Please produce that evidence.AbE:If your fantasy were factual Faith there would be a very definite piece of evidence seen; there would be no life on Earth.Edited by jar, : see AbE:

Once again Faith, reality shows that what you consider perfectly logical is simply another of your fantasies. A logical fantasy but fantasy still.The problem that you face is that the rest of humanity can look at what is actually happening and see that the scenario you imagine does NOT and has not yet ever happened (came damn close a few times but none of those involved getting buried under dirt).Let us return to a lesson covered several times in this thread, the center of what became North America. We have absolute conclusive irrefutable evidence that the environment that is now at over 8000 feet above sea level was once below sea level. It was an inland ocean. But if a core is dug at a location that is now 8000 feet above sea level we find that below the geological samples that are marine environment there are terrestrial environment samples.That fact, and it is a fact even if you reject it Faith, shows that a given location went from a terrestrial environment to a marine environment and in turn the marine environment was replaced by another current terrestrial environment.We also know for a fact, and it is a fact whether you reject the fact or not, that there is absolute, conclusive irrefutable evidence that life existed in all of those different environments; there are fossils and the fossils exist and were found in the locations where they were found.So live existed and still continues to exist. And the fossils confirm the geological evidence, marine fossils are found in marine geological formations and terrestrial fossils are found in terrestrial geological formations and in the terrestrial environment that exists today we find terrestrial life forms.It's perfectly logical BUT, and this is an important BUT, it is also supported by all of the evidence.

There is no puzzle Faith; they do exactly what they do today, they move. Remember the lesson above. When the lowest levels of the geological column were at the surface, it was populated by critters that existed in that environment. When the land fell or waters rose the terrestrial critters moved elsewhere and marine critters populated the areas. When the land rose and the environment became terrestrial again then terrestrial life forms populated the environment.The evidence for that is two fold, the undeniable fact that both marine and terrestrial life forms exist today and that in every geological column ever examined we find evidence of life forms adapted to the the environment of the geological sample.It really is that simple Faith.

True and that is why the evidence is so important. Life still exists. The biological record does factually show evolution of the biological critters over time and spatially with the samples found lower being different than samples found higher in a geological column.In addition, the things that do get eroded away don't really cease to exist but rather get reused in a different format in a different location. Hopefully that point will become clear in How do geologist know what they are looking at really is what they say it is?.

And guess what Faith?Every geological column does show what DID happen to a particular environment and what it shows is evolution from one environment to a new environment; from terrestrial to marine and back to terrestrial with millions of years of material missing and still life going on.There is no mystery, no puzzle and the only fantasy is that there is a puzzle.

If we look at any geological column it is a record of what happened at the surface when any particular part of the column was at the surface. The actual make up of materials tells us whether it was a marine or terrestrial environment and the biological samples found in the layer tell us what lived at the time, what the average temperatures were as well as other features that described the landscape.The geological evidence shows conclusively that the processes in the past were the same process that go on now but the biological samples show and order evolution of life over time.A great specific example is the middle of what became North America. The geological column shows a terrestrial environment that then became a marine environment that then was raised to once again become a terrestrial environment at more than a mile above sea level. Again what is seen is that the biological samples from each period correspond to the geological evidence.It really is that simple.

Not exactly Faith, rather than showing utter falseness it shows reality.Environments change and are changing constantly. Desertification is going on with crop lands being covered by sand dunes. Areas that were once water are now dry and areas that were recently dry are now under water. Some really large lakes are being formed as glacial ice continues to melt. The middle of the US that was once a sea is now over a mile above sea level. The environments change and the life forms populating the environments also changes. Yes, we know you make that claim but reality refutes your fantasy. Yes, of course. You can declare any silly thing you want. I have always supported your right to believe in silly stuff, Biblical floods and Special Creation and Young Earth. However your beliefs do not relate to reality.The fact is the biological and geological samples do exist and order as you have been shown.Edited by jar, : appalin spallinEdited by jar, : I have always supported your right to believe isn silly stuff, Biblical floods and Special Creation and Young Earth.

There is of course no such thing as historical geology except in the imagination of those claiming a Young Earth.The reality is that the geological samples exist. The biological samples exist. There is no other possible source for a leaf or spore or seed or tree or animal or critter track than an environment where the critter moved, the animal lived, the tree grew, the leaf fell.It really is that simple.

But the problem exists only in your fantasy Faith. How can we address your imaginations?Edited by jar, : test sig

Once again reality shows that you are simply repeating falsehoods.Finding a fossil imprint of a leaf inside a rock is absolute and irrefutable proof that the leaf fell from a tree on a surface environment onto the ground BEFORE the ground turned into a rock.Finding a tree stump inside a rock is absolute and irrefutable proof that the tree grew on a surface environment BEFORE the ground turned into a rock.Finding a fossil critter inside a rock is absolute and irrefutable proof that the critter lived on a surface environment BEFORE the ground turned into a rock.Finding a fossil imprint of tracks inside a rock is absolute and irrefutable proof that a critter lived and walked on that surface environment BEFORE the ground turned into a rock.Finding petrified stream ripples inside a rock is absolute and irrefutable proof that a stream ran across that surface environment BEFORE the ground turned into a rock.Finding petrified sand dunes inside a rock is absolute and irrefutable proof that a desert surface environment was there BEFORE the ground turned into a rock.Ancient environments are as real as an Old Earth and as evidenced as anything happening today.

The fact is Faith that the standard view of geology is supported by irrefutable evidence while your fantasy has no supporting evidence. Again, that is simple another falsehood Faith.People have pointed out to you numerous examples where there is still habitable space. It is not an assumption but rather the conclusion of the evidence.Remember the example of the North American inland sea. There the environment went from terrestrial to marine and then back to terrestrial yet things continued to live at that location even as the original terrestrial and then marine environments were lithified. They continued to live there even as the lithified environment was raised and another terrestrial environment created on top of the lithified material. And no one has claimed that things continue to live on a deeply buried environment. What is claimed is that critter continue to live on the surface and near surface and waters.

Do you admit that the center of what is now North America exists?Do you admit that many of the geological columns there show terrestrial sediments, then marine sediments and now is a terrestrial environment?Do you admit that terrestrial environment fossils and marine environment fossils have ben found in the rocks that make up those geological columns?If so, then it is not an assumption but rather a conclusion that life existed in each of those environments.

You have every right to be willfully ignorant.

Finding a fossil imprint of a leaf inside a rock is absolute and irrefutable proof that the leaf fell from a tree on a surface environment onto the ground BEFORE the ground turned into a rock.Finding a tree stump inside a rock is absolute and irrefutable proof that the tree grew on a surface environment BEFORE the ground turned into a rock.Finding a fossil critter inside a rock is absolute and irrefutable proof that the critter lived on a surface environment BEFORE the ground turned into a rock.Finding a fossil imprint of tracks inside a rock is absolute and irrefutable proof that a critter lived and walked on that surface environment BEFORE the ground turned into a rock.Finding petrified stream ripples inside a rock is absolute and irrefutable proof that a stream ran across that surface environment BEFORE the ground turned into a rock.Finding petrified sand dunes inside a rock is absolute and irrefutable proof that a desert surface environment was there BEFORE the ground turned into a rock.Ancient environments are as real as an Old Earth and as evidenced as anything happening today.

The idea that what we are looking at when examining a geological column is time and changes over time is supported by several facts and facts from several different methods, technologies and areas of inquiry.The first fact is superposition; layers that are on top of another layer are younger than the underlying layer.The second fact is the make up of the layer itself. The physical and chemical composition of a layer can indicate how long it took for the layer to form.The third fact is sequential layering; where there is an ordered series of alternating layer types.Another fact is the appearance heavier coarser materials above layers made of of lighter finer grained layers. That indicates that two different processes were involved.Another indicator is alternating layers formed in a marine and terrestrial environment.Then there are layers of different types of materials, volcanic ash and magma.In metamorphic rocks intrusions are often found and the intruded material must be younger than the surrounding material.Other indicators are the many different forms of absolute dating; radiometric, luminescence, paleomagnetic, incremental dating.Then there are the biological inclusions as well as tracks and trails.The important thing is that all of these various tools tell us ages, they measure time and also changes over time.