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Author Topic:   Nothing in biology makes sense except in the light of evolution.
Dredge
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Message 532 of 1311 (812736)
06-19-2017 10:19 PM
Reply to: Message 518 by dwise1
06-18-2017 3:14 AM


Re: maybe we should cholera a new vaccine ...
dwise1 writes:
Why do you think talkorigins.org is an atheist site? And why would you assume that so many of its authors are atheists?
I didn't say it is an atheist site.
Evolution is an atheist invention, so any non-religious site dedicated to evolution is likely to be dominated by atheists ... just as evolutionary biology is dominated by atheists.
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Dredge
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Message 533 of 1311 (812737)
06-19-2017 10:26 PM
Reply to: Message 520 by Tangle
06-18-2017 4:43 AM


Re: The Nested Hierarchy
Tangle writes:
But it's a very strange thing for a desciple of the Catholic faith to believe something totally different to its leaders. I guess you know best?
No, it's no strange at all for Catholics to differ on points of science. And what Church leaders think about any point of science is irrelevant to the faith. If a Pope supports evolution, other Catholics are not obliged to share his opinion. And a Catholic can believe that the Sun revolves around the earth, for example, if he wants to. Getting science wrong is not considered a sin. The bottom line is, a Catholic can believe anything as long as it doesn't compromise the doctrines, teachings and dogmas of the Church.
The Bible is not a book of science and the Catholic Church is not a science club. I can't think of any science that a Catholic is obliged to believe. In fact, the dogmas that a Catholic must believe are decidedly un-scientific ... the Resurrection, Transubstantiation, the Virgin Birth, the Trinity, etc, etc.
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Dredge
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Message 534 of 1311 (812739)
06-19-2017 10:39 PM
Reply to: Message 522 by ringo
06-18-2017 2:31 PM


Re: maybe we should cholera a new vaccine ...
Ringo writes:
You're reduced to telling yourself that they must be wrong because they're atheists.
Huh? I'm saying anyone who accepts evolution is wrong - theists included. BioLogos and Talk Origins are both wrong.
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Dredge
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Message 541 of 1311 (812868)
06-20-2017 9:15 PM
Reply to: Message 528 by Taq
06-19-2017 12:19 PM


Re: The Nested Hierarchy
Taq writes:
Creationists just can't seem to grasp the simple concept that they need positive evidence that God did create something.
Creationists believe that such evidence exists. I didn't see how the four faces on Mount Rushmore were brought into existence, but I can be secure in my deduction that humans must have done it.

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Dredge
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Message 542 of 1311 (812869)
06-20-2017 9:31 PM
Reply to: Message 535 by dwise1
06-19-2017 11:16 PM


Re: maybe we should cholera a new vaccine ...
I didn't say Talk Origins is an atheist web site; it is devoted to promoting the science of evolution, which I interpret as atheist theology. If Talk Origins mentioned somewhere that it is devoted to promoting atheism, then I would say it is an atheist site. Talk Origins presents itself as philosophically neutral, but I'll bet it is run almost-exclusively by atheists.
BioLogos, on the other hand, endorses evolution, but also states that it endorses Christianity. So BioLogos is not philosophically neutral; it's a Christian web site (albeit, in error).

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Dredge
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Message 543 of 1311 (812870)
06-20-2017 9:40 PM
Reply to: Message 530 by Taq
06-19-2017 12:22 PM


Re: The Nested Hierarchy
Taq writes:
You have yet to show that evolution requires an increase in genetic information.
For example, compare the human and chimp genomes. Can you show us how those genomes differ in information content? Probably not, right?
Right.
But since a human is more functionally complex than a chimp, it stands to reason that building a human would require more genetic information that building a chimp.
Think of the instruction manual to build a mouse trap verses the instruction manual to build a car. Which instruction manual would contain more information?
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Dredge
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Message 545 of 1311 (812872)
06-20-2017 10:00 PM
Reply to: Message 537 by Tangle
06-20-2017 3:37 AM


Re: The Nested Hierarchy
Tangle writes:
So you believe all that nonsense but reject science? What kind of lunacy is that?
I don't recall rejecting science. I love science!
Transubstantiation - the belief that bread and wine are changed into flesh and blood; not figuratively but quite literally, by a chap in a funny hat lifting it above his head.
Really?
It's called faith. I have it and you don't. "Then Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Except you eat the flesh of the Son of man, and drink his blood, you have no life in you." - John 6:53.
And there's an old saying: Truth is stranger than fiction.

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Dredge
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Message 546 of 1311 (812874)
06-20-2017 10:09 PM
Reply to: Message 539 by Taq
06-20-2017 10:48 AM


Re: maybe we should cholera a new vaccine ...
Taq writes:
How can you say they are wrong when you don't even understand the most basic science that undergirds the theory of evolution?
I do understand the basics. I don't have to have a doctorate in mathematics to know that 1+1 don't add up to 3. Plus there is my intuition for smelling b.s.

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Dredge
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Message 547 of 1311 (812875)
06-20-2017 10:19 PM
Reply to: Message 540 by ringo
06-20-2017 11:41 AM


Re: maybe we should cholera a new vaccine ...
Ringo writes:
every Christian who knows anything about evolution accepts it. Why don't you try to figure out why YOU'RE wrong?
Consensus is not an infallible guide to truth. Do you (think) I might be retarded?
Nevertheless, the Holy Spirit won't allow me to accept evolution. "What harmony is there between Christ and Belial?" - 2Corinthians 6:15
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Dredge
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Message 548 of 1311 (812876)
06-20-2017 10:28 PM
Reply to: Message 544 by Coyote
06-20-2017 9:50 PM


Re: The Nested Hierarchy
Coyote writes:
But chimps can do a lot of things humans can't, so there is more "genetic information" around there somewhere to account for those functions.
You're probably thinking of space shuttles and the Large Hadron Collider. No, I think you'll find that humans built those machines, not chimps.
What can chimps do that humans can't? My fragile, egg-shell mind can't think of anything.

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Dredge
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Message 567 of 1311 (812978)
06-22-2017 1:00 AM


Charles Darwin wrote the first science-fiction novel. If he were alive today he would be astonished that so many people have taken the contents of Origin seriously!

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Dredge
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Message 586 of 1311 (813080)
06-22-2017 11:46 PM
Reply to: Message 577 by Taq
06-22-2017 10:50 AM


Re: No, intraspecies variation is not evolution
Taq writes:
That is macroevolution.
For some reason, some words from a Supertramp song come to mind: "Dreamer; you're nothing but a dreamer."

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Dredge
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Message 591 of 1311 (813166)
06-23-2017 11:50 PM
Reply to: Message 551 by dwise1
06-21-2017 12:13 AM


Re: The Nested Hierarchy
dwise1 writes:
So then wouldn't you say that in respect to that trait, the chimp genome is more complex than the human one? How many more traits are like that?
OBTW, how intelligent are the other Hominidae? I trust that you have heard of Hanabiko, "fireworks girl" (more literally, "flower fire girl"). She's better known as Koko. Since she has learned sign language, they have been able to administer intelligence tests to her. The results vary from an IQ of 80 to an IQ of 90. The lower score is attributed to cultural bias, or rather species bias -- when given options of where to go when it starts raining, she chose the tree instead of the house.
Hey, come to think of it, chimps beat humans into space, didn't they? And I'm pretty sure a chimp in England invented the first computer. Oh, and let's not forget that even though the Hubble Space Telescope was put into space by humans, it was actually designed and built by a team of chimps.

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Dredge
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Message 592 of 1311 (813167)
06-24-2017 12:01 AM
Reply to: Message 555 by JonF
06-21-2017 8:19 AM


Re: maybe we should cholera a new vaccine ...
"I didn't say Talk Origins is an atheist web site."
"I wouldn't worry about anything from that discredited atheist web site."
JonF writes:
Your claims are recorded. Don't lie about them.
Huh? The first quote is mine but the second quote belongs to CRR. But thank you for confusing me with the redoubtable CRR - that's a compliment.
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Talk Origins is officially philosophically neutral, but un-officially atheistic.

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Dredge
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Message 593 of 1311 (813168)
06-24-2017 12:11 AM
Reply to: Message 559 by ringo
06-21-2017 3:26 PM


Re: maybe we should cholera a new vaccine ...
Since I wrote, "Do you I might be retarded?", then I may well be retarded. But "Do you think I might be retarded?" sounds less retarded.
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My religious views don't hold me back - by rejecting evolution I am missing out on exactly nothing, as far as science is concerned. This is due to the mathematical principle: evolution = zero.
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