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Dredge Member (Idle past 104 days) Posts: 2850 From: Australia Joined: |
dwise1 writes:
I didn't say it is an atheist site. Why do you think talkorigins.org is an atheist site? And why would you assume that so many of its authors are atheists?Evolution is an atheist invention, so any non-religious site dedicated to evolution is likely to be dominated by atheists ... just as evolutionary biology is dominated by atheists. Edited by Dredge, : No reason given.
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Dredge Member (Idle past 104 days) Posts: 2850 From: Australia Joined: |
Tangle writes:
No, it's no strange at all for Catholics to differ on points of science. And what Church leaders think about any point of science is irrelevant to the faith. If a Pope supports evolution, other Catholics are not obliged to share his opinion. And a Catholic can believe that the Sun revolves around the earth, for example, if he wants to. Getting science wrong is not considered a sin. The bottom line is, a Catholic can believe anything as long as it doesn't compromise the doctrines, teachings and dogmas of the Church. But it's a very strange thing for a desciple of the Catholic faith to believe something totally different to its leaders. I guess you know best? The Bible is not a book of science and the Catholic Church is not a science club. I can't think of any science that a Catholic is obliged to believe. In fact, the dogmas that a Catholic must believe are decidedly un-scientific ... the Resurrection, Transubstantiation, the Virgin Birth, the Trinity, etc, etc. Edited by Dredge, : No reason given. Edited by Dredge, : No reason given.
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Dredge Member (Idle past 104 days) Posts: 2850 From: Australia Joined: |
Ringo writes:
Huh? I'm saying anyone who accepts evolution is wrong - theists included. BioLogos and Talk Origins are both wrong. You're reduced to telling yourself that they must be wrong because they're atheists. Edited by Dredge, : No reason given. Edited by Dredge, : No reason given.
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Dredge Member (Idle past 104 days) Posts: 2850 From: Australia Joined: |
Taq writes:
Creationists believe that such evidence exists. I didn't see how the four faces on Mount Rushmore were brought into existence, but I can be secure in my deduction that humans must have done it.
Creationists just can't seem to grasp the simple concept that they need positive evidence that God did create something.
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Dredge Member (Idle past 104 days) Posts: 2850 From: Australia Joined: |
I didn't say Talk Origins is an atheist web site; it is devoted to promoting the science of evolution, which I interpret as atheist theology. If Talk Origins mentioned somewhere that it is devoted to promoting atheism, then I would say it is an atheist site. Talk Origins presents itself as philosophically neutral, but I'll bet it is run almost-exclusively by atheists.
BioLogos, on the other hand, endorses evolution, but also states that it endorses Christianity. So BioLogos is not philosophically neutral; it's a Christian web site (albeit, in error).
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Dredge Member (Idle past 104 days) Posts: 2850 From: Australia Joined: |
Taq writes:
Right. You have yet to show that evolution requires an increase in genetic information.For example, compare the human and chimp genomes. Can you show us how those genomes differ in information content? Probably not, right? But since a human is more functionally complex than a chimp, it stands to reason that building a human would require more genetic information that building a chimp. Think of the instruction manual to build a mouse trap verses the instruction manual to build a car. Which instruction manual would contain more information? Edited by Dredge, : No reason given. Edited by Dredge, : No reason given.
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Dredge Member (Idle past 104 days) Posts: 2850 From: Australia Joined: |
Tangle writes:
I don't recall rejecting science. I love science!
So you believe all that nonsense but reject science? What kind of lunacy is that? Transubstantiation - the belief that bread and wine are changed into flesh and blood; not figuratively but quite literally, by a chap in a funny hat lifting it above his head.
It's called faith. I have it and you don't. "Then Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Except you eat the flesh of the Son of man, and drink his blood, you have no life in you." - John 6:53.Really? And there's an old saying: Truth is stranger than fiction.
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Dredge Member (Idle past 104 days) Posts: 2850 From: Australia Joined: |
Taq writes:
I do understand the basics. I don't have to have a doctorate in mathematics to know that 1+1 don't add up to 3. Plus there is my intuition for smelling b.s.
How can you say they are wrong when you don't even understand the most basic science that undergirds the theory of evolution?
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Dredge Member (Idle past 104 days) Posts: 2850 From: Australia Joined: |
Ringo writes:
Consensus is not an infallible guide to truth. Do you (think) I might be retarded? every Christian who knows anything about evolution accepts it. Why don't you try to figure out why YOU'RE wrong? Nevertheless, the Holy Spirit won't allow me to accept evolution. "What harmony is there between Christ and Belial?" - 2Corinthians 6:15 Edited by Dredge, : No reason given.
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Dredge Member (Idle past 104 days) Posts: 2850 From: Australia Joined: |
Coyote writes:
You're probably thinking of space shuttles and the Large Hadron Collider. No, I think you'll find that humans built those machines, not chimps. But chimps can do a lot of things humans can't, so there is more "genetic information" around there somewhere to account for those functions. What can chimps do that humans can't? My fragile, egg-shell mind can't think of anything.
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Dredge Member (Idle past 104 days) Posts: 2850 From: Australia Joined: |
Charles Darwin wrote the first science-fiction novel. If he were alive today he would be astonished that so many people have taken the contents of Origin seriously!
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Dredge Member (Idle past 104 days) Posts: 2850 From: Australia Joined: |
Taq writes:
For some reason, some words from a Supertramp song come to mind: "Dreamer; you're nothing but a dreamer."
That is macroevolution.
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Dredge Member (Idle past 104 days) Posts: 2850 From: Australia Joined: |
dwise1 writes: So then wouldn't you say that in respect to that trait, the chimp genome is more complex than the human one? How many more traits are like that? OBTW, how intelligent are the other Hominidae? I trust that you have heard of Hanabiko, "fireworks girl" (more literally, "flower fire girl"). She's better known as Koko. Since she has learned sign language, they have been able to administer intelligence tests to her. The results vary from an IQ of 80 to an IQ of 90. The lower score is attributed to cultural bias, or rather species bias -- when given options of where to go when it starts raining, she chose the tree instead of the house. Hey, come to think of it, chimps beat humans into space, didn't they? And I'm pretty sure a chimp in England invented the first computer. Oh, and let's not forget that even though the Hubble Space Telescope was put into space by humans, it was actually designed and built by a team of chimps.
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Dredge Member (Idle past 104 days) Posts: 2850 From: Australia Joined: |
"I didn't say Talk Origins is an atheist web site."
"I wouldn't worry about anything from that discredited atheist web site."
JonF writes: Your claims are recorded. Don't lie about them. Huh? The first quote is mine but the second quote belongs to CRR. But thank you for confusing me with the redoubtable CRR - that's a compliment. -------------------------------------------------- Talk Origins is officially philosophically neutral, but un-officially atheistic.
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Dredge Member (Idle past 104 days) Posts: 2850 From: Australia Joined: |
Since I wrote, "Do you I might be retarded?", then I may well be retarded. But "Do you think I might be retarded?" sounds less retarded.
------------------------------------ My religious views don't hold me back - by rejecting evolution I am missing out on exactly nothing, as far as science is concerned. This is due to the mathematical principle: evolution = zero. Edited by Dredge, : No reason given. Edited by Dredge, : No reason given.
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