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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1473 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
They're either humans God made as humans or they are something else God made to be something else.
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1473 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
Diseases will be removed by natural selection, so that is a moot point. Again there are a lot of genetic diseases, a list of thousands I believe, that obviously didn't get removed.
The mutations that do change phenotype and are beneficial will be passed on at a higher rate and can spread through the population. And as I understand this there are so few that fit this description the number is really negligible. And there is no reason to think they'd be passed on anyway unless they do something that gets selected but there is no reason to expect that. They may be "beneficial" only in the sense of doing nothing in particular but not causing harm. For instance the folded or "curled" cat ear. There is no reason to think it would have been passed on in the normal course of things. It only got established because people went to great lengths to make sure it got passed on. Edited by Faith, : No reason given.
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1473 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
They either died in the Flood, which I guess they did since they are fossils, or they are descended from one of the three couples on the ark.
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1473 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
Since humans are not descended from any ape at all there is no connection whatever between the genomes.
Fortunately those thousands of diseases are rare, yes. So far.
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1473 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
Yes I realized that after I wrote what you quoted and changed the post.
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1473 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
You keep thinking in terms of mutations making the difference between chimps and humans but that makes no sense at all to a YEC. Mutations occur in both genomes completely independently.
You are saying that if a base is changed, whether by a mutation or by a creator, ... The Creator doesn't "change" anything. He made the creature and all its DNA perfectly designed to reproduce it. Mutations are a disease process that disrupts the perfect created DNA.
... that it will either be neutral or deleterious, and we can ignore any beneficial changes because those are few if any. Yes, in each genome, in any given genome.
If this is true, then we have to ask how a creator can create two separate genomes that differ by 40 million differences while sharing 98% of the rest and not have this result in millions of diseases. This makes not one iota of sense to me.
Also, how can this result in any beneficial differences between the species if differences cause so many diseases, according to you? Nothing you are saying makes any sense to me whatever. You must be thinking in irrelevant evo terms here but I can't sort it out. NOTHING happens "between the species" in the YEC scenario. They are completely independent of one another.
Even if we assume creation, what you are saying can't be true. NO idea how you arrive at this.
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1473 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
If chimps have somewhere around 95-98% human DNA, how much do you think, say, Homo habilis had? If Homo habilis was a human being then it had 100% If it was an ape I have no idea.
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1473 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
I'm sure I don't get what Taq is trying to say, none of it makes any sense. What is the point of the differences between the genomes at all?
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1473 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
He isn't a YEC, he believes in an old earth. Yes it matters.
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1473 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
I don't know how he puts it all together, he just seems to believe in an old earth and to some extent in evolution too. If I'm wrong I hope he'll come by and explain his views better.
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1473 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
Maybe I'm wrong but I think Dredge is satirizing science with his "aliens" stuff. That's how I've been reading it anyway. If I'm wrong, or if it's just that the satire isn't getting through, the discussion gets too confused to follow since his opponents think he's talking about a view of his own, which he's not. But it certainly does get confusing. Since he thinks llfe started billions of years ago I disagree with him about some pretty basic stuff anyway. I suppose this is probably his way of accepting the Catholic nonsense about evolution, but all that is too bizarre for me to follow anyway.
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1473 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
We already know how macroevolution occurred.The fossil record shows us that microevolution over many thousand generations is macroevolution. The fossils tell us what happened and Genetics tells us the chemistry. That's how. That's just a bunch of wishful hogwash. Even a hundred generations of microevolution would deplete the genetic variability to the point that no further variation could occur down that llne of variation, while thousands would most probably lead to extinction of that llne of variation. You might get what you laughably believe to be "speciation," which is really nothing but a variety of the same creature that's so genetically depleted it's lost the ability to continue breeding with the parent population. Then you fantasize further variation from there which is impossible but you haven't noticed. The fossils tell you nothing, you just imagine it, you impose your imagination on what is nothing but a cemetery of dead creatures killed in the Flood. So the Genetics you hang your hopes on is impossible, and so are the bones. Edited by Faith, : No reason given. Edited by Faith, : No reason given. Edited by Faith, : No reason given.
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1473 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
I thought we were talking amniotes to synapsids. Millions of years of microevolution and natural selection is how nature did the task. And that is a well known fact whether you care to acknowledge it or not. Well known fact? You are deluded. It's assumption, not fact. There is no evidence for such a thing.
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1473 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
Oh nonsense.
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1473 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
Uh huh, well that was the original statement of the conclusion. Later of course they managed to invent some other stuff based on a lot of mere verbiage, no actual evidence.
Anyway, if synapsids DID evolve from amniotes it would have to be by microevolution which is not evolution but means they are really the same species. But it's evolution that is claimed, and that's nonsense. I looked up some images but my eyes don't work well enough to identify the relationship between the two creatures. Edited by Faith, : No reason given.
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