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Author Topic:   Any practical use for Universal Common Ancestor?
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Message 106 of 1385 (849439)
03-10-2019 10:49 AM
Reply to: Message 105 by LamarkNewAge
03-09-2019 7:45 PM


Re: I am not sure what the argument would be from a creationist.
LNA writes:

I was going to start this message by asking for the creationist understanding of cross-specie applied research relative to diseases...

OK...but you conclude the message with this:

LNA writes:

This is important because mice have been used in laboratories as experimental animals for research into human disease processes for years. Mice are currently ...

In between is a bunch of googling which I wager none of us bothered to really read.

Any of us can go to google to find an answer we wish to look up. It appears that you simply wanted to stir up a topic with creationists. If so, you yourself need to use your own thoughts rather than pave the way to discussion with google.
Forum Guidelines clearly state: Bare links with no supporting discussion should be avoided. Make the argument in your own words and use links as supporting references.

Comments?


Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. ~RC Sproul
"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain "
~"If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith

You can "get answers" by watching the ducks. That doesn't mean the answers are coming from them.~Ringo

Subjectivism may very well undermine Christianity.
In the same way that "allowing people to choose what they want to be when they grow up" undermines communism.
~Stile


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Message 142 of 1385 (849624)
03-16-2019 1:34 PM
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03-16-2019 12:25 PM


Re: Name one.
im bad with abbreviations. What do FTL and UCA mean? Oh, wait...UCA is universal common ancestor. But what is FTL?

Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. ~RC Sproul
"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain "
~"If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith

You can "get answers" by watching the ducks. That doesn't mean the answers are coming from them.~Ringo

Subjectivism may very well undermine Christianity.
In the same way that "allowing people to choose what they want to be when they grow up" undermines communism.
~Stile


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Message 144 of 1385 (849631)
03-16-2019 2:11 PM
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03-16-2019 12:25 PM


Re: Name one.
ringo writes:

We'd still be running away from fire because it's burny-burny.

Conservatives think that fire is Bernie Bernie. It is hard to believe that Trump and Bernie Sanders shared a UCA.

Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. ~RC Sproul
"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain "
~"If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith

You can "get answers" by watching the ducks. That doesn't mean the answers are coming from them.~Ringo

Subjectivism may very well undermine Christianity.
In the same way that "allowing people to choose what they want to be when they grow up" undermines communism.
~Stile


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Message 146 of 1385 (849643)
03-16-2019 4:53 PM
Reply to: Message 139 by ringo
03-16-2019 11:45 AM


Re: Name one.
I had to look up "religionist". It isnt even in google dictionary, though I found it at urban dictionary and at free dictionary online.

ringo writes:

*looks through microscope* "God did it."

When I look through the microscope I see that I have a rational mind and also a animal brain....known in Rational Recovery as AVRT or The Beast.

I wonder if the animal brain rules the thinking in addicted religionists?


Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. ~RC Sproul
"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain "
~"If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith

You can "get answers" by watching the ducks. That doesn't mean the answers are coming from them.~Ringo

Subjectivism may very well undermine Christianity.
In the same way that "allowing people to choose what they want to be when they grow up" undermines communism.
~Stile


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Message 230 of 1385 (849846)
03-23-2019 9:10 AM
Reply to: Message 229 by AZPaul3
03-23-2019 9:08 AM


Re: Name one.
It reminds me of Ronald Reagan.

"Well...."...
Deep Subject


Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. ~RC Sproul
"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain "
~"If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith

You can "get answers" by watching the ducks. That doesn't mean the answers are coming from them.~Ringo

Subjectivism may very well undermine Christianity.
In the same way that "allowing people to choose what they want to be when they grow up" undermines communism.
~Stile


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Message 231 of 1385 (849847)
03-23-2019 9:17 AM
Reply to: Message 1 by Dredge
11-20-2018 8:07 AM


Dropping In Late To The Conversation...
Dredge writes:

I've been looking for a practical use in applied science for the information that ...

It provides fodder for classroom discussion in Academia. What else would we teach?

*Looks up something*...

What is Applied Science?
*scratches head*...

Now...if I were a teacher, what alternative lessons could I teach?


Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. ~RC Sproul
"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain "
~"If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith

You can "get answers" by watching the ducks. That doesn't mean the answers are coming from them.~Ringo

Subjectivism may very well undermine Christianity.
In the same way that "allowing people to choose what they want to be when they grow up" undermines communism.
~Stile


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Message 588 of 1385 (851547)
04-28-2019 6:19 AM
Reply to: Message 89 by Dredge
03-07-2019 11:53 PM


Any Practical Alternative Theories?
Tanypteryx, responding to Dredge writes:

One of the interesting things about knowledge, it doesn't disappear if you can't find a practical use for it.
Another interesting thing is when humans study things they learn things that may be practical and things that may not be practical. I'm surprised you didn't realize that.
Scientists are by nature curious and the mysteries of how life works and how life originated are interesting subjects that scientists want to understand. Creationism and religion do not give any useful details, so we have to rely on scientific methods if we want to really understand anything.

This is factually true and makes a lot of sense. My question to Dredge, if I had any, would be this:
  • If we were to throw out the basic theories of evolution...among which you assume is a "Universal Common Ancestor" hypothesis...praytell what would you replace these theories with??!!
    Dredge, replying to Stile writes:

    Er, try reading the OP again. Which part of it asks for uses "within evolutionary theory"? I'm almost certain the OP is confined to only practical uses in applied science.

    OK...lets limit my question to applied science. What specifically would we use as the basis for our new hypothesis as to how applied science works and what commonality, if any...humans specifically have that supplants the UCA?

    Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. ~RC Sproul
    "A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain "
    ~"If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith

    You can "get answers" by watching the ducks. That doesn't mean the answers are coming from them.~Ringo

    Subjectivism may very well undermine Christianity.
    In the same way that "allowing people to choose what they want to be when they grow up" undermines communism.
    ~Stile


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    Message 606 of 1385 (851651)
    04-30-2019 11:23 AM
    Reply to: Message 170 by Tanypteryx
    03-19-2019 1:27 AM


    Tanypteryx writes:

    I made my living in biology and the first time I ever heard the term "applied biology" was from you right here.


    Dredge writes:


    1. What? You're a professional biologist and you've never heard of "applied biology"?!
    2. Instead of saying or writing, "practical applications of the observable facts and principles of biology", I simply say "applied biology". Try it - it's 2 words verses 7, or 71 characters verses 15!


    OK I'm about to investigate!

    It seems to have been defined online:
    Pure and Applied Biology...inestigating further, I visited this website: PAB. Still puzzled as to how Dredge actually got this term right, I delved a bit into just what research these folks profess...
    Table Of Contents and it looks as if most of these scholars are Islamic.

    The Free Dictionary Online redirects the term "applied Biology" to Applied Science.
    Applied Science

    Now its Tanypteryx turn.


    Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. ~RC Sproul
    "A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain "
    ~"If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith

    You can "get answers" by watching the ducks. That doesn't mean the answers are coming from them.~Ringo

    Subjectivism may very well undermine Christianity.
    In the same way that "allowing people to choose what they want to be when they grow up" undermines communism.
    ~Stile


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    Message 632 of 1385 (851726)
    05-01-2019 12:43 PM
    Reply to: Message 629 by Tanypteryx
    05-01-2019 11:57 AM


    Re: Progressive Creation
    I can say with authority that he (Dredge)makes it up to suit his belief. I have been known to do the same thing in regards to NT Theology, but I never mess with Biblical Creationism. I will challenge him one on one in regards to Biblical meaning any day, but I care little about Creationism...if God did indeed do it that way He is fooling everyone. Now, why would an omnipotent Being need to do a silly thing like that?

    Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. ~RC Sproul
    "A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain "
    ~"If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith

    You can "get answers" by watching the ducks. That doesn't mean the answers are coming from them.~Ringo

    Subjectivism may very well undermine Christianity.
    In the same way that "allowing people to choose what they want to be when they grow up" undermines communism.
    ~Stile


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    Message 1062 of 1385 (853148)
    05-22-2019 10:45 PM
    Reply to: Message 1061 by AZPaul3
    05-22-2019 7:03 PM


    Re: Progressive Creation
    That would be funnier if I were laughing at *them* instead of examining myself. For the record, I consider myself only as a Cosmological Creationist in that I believe that the universe was created by a supreme intelligence. Beyond that I have no belief. Biblical creationism never made much logical sense to me, but I dont reject it 100% due to the fact that so many people whom I otherwise respect DO in fact believe it.

    Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. ~RC Sproul
    "A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain "
    ~"If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith

    You can "get answers" by watching the ducks. That doesn't mean the answers are coming from them.~Ringo

    Subjectivism may very well undermine Christianity.
    In the same way that "allowing people to choose what they want to be when they grow up" undermines communism.
    ~Stile


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    Message 1063 of 1385 (853149)
    05-22-2019 10:52 PM
    Reply to: Message 1059 by RAZD
    05-22-2019 3:21 PM


    The Evidence Screams For Validation
    I always enjoy reading these arguments, assertions, and litany of facts presented here at EvC by our science-qualified members. Just as I don't reject Biblical Creationism wholesale only because I know quite a few who believe it.

    By the same standard, I respect the contrarian views of the educated members here at EvC and thank them for their patience, humility, and willingness to share what they know with many of us who don't.

    Evolution vs Creationism is hardly a black and white issue. I surmise that in fact both could be operating in principle at the same time.


    Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. ~RC Sproul
    "A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain "
    ~"If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith

    You can "get answers" by watching the ducks. That doesn't mean the answers are coming from them.~Ringo

    Subjectivism may very well undermine Christianity.
    In the same way that "allowing people to choose what they want to be when they grow up" undermines communism.
    ~Stile


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