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Author Topic:   Any practical use for Universal Common Ancestor?
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Message 5 of 1362 (843769)
11-21-2018 10:18 AM
Reply to: Message 1 by Dredge
11-20-2018 8:07 AM


... the whole Universal Common Ancestor thing is completely irrelevant and useless outside the realm of evolutionary theory.

The theory of evolution has major significance to everything from medicine thru genetics, biology, chemistry, agriculture thru psychology and on, let alone just answering the simple questions of how we are the way we are and what might we expect in the future. Anything that impacts the evolutionary sciences, especially something as significant to the theory as the Universal Common Ancestor proposal, is not irrelevant to all that followed.

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Message 9 of 1362 (843788)
11-21-2018 12:31 PM
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11-21-2018 12:27 PM


Re: Name one.
Sorry. Love. I'm not responding to your crazy today.

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Message 15 of 1362 (843801)
11-21-2018 1:17 PM
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11-21-2018 12:32 PM


Re: Name one.
Because you can't. I'm right.

No. Because I don't want to.


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Message 36 of 1362 (843837)
11-21-2018 5:48 PM
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11-21-2018 2:13 PM


Re: Name one.
I can't think of anything for chemistry myself.

Think protein folding, via proteomics, via genomics, via evolution.

That'd be a lousy answer from Faith to any question and it seems a lousy answer to me here.

Yes, it would be. I don't give a shit.


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Message 86 of 1362 (849380)
03-07-2019 4:43 AM
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03-07-2019 12:02 AM


In other words, you can't give me an example of a practical use in applied science for the information that all life on earth evolved from UCA.

So, ok, no one here can meet your unreasonable requirements of an example.

So what?

Do we have to care about your errant opinions?


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Message 102 of 1362 (849421)
03-08-2019 2:02 PM
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03-08-2019 1:02 AM


How do the confines of applied science amount to "unreasonable requirements".

As Stile said, you're taking UCA outside the discipline it is intended to inform and insisting that since it has marginal to no utility in traffic control systems (an applied science) it has no utility anywhere.

Typical religious logic.

No one reduced suffering or cured disease or fed hungry mouths with a theory, esp not one of the most useless theories ever - UCA.

Now you're talking about your religion. Useless to society, harmful to critical thinking and damn deadly to living things everywhere.

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Message 137 of 1362 (849607)
03-15-2019 6:17 PM
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03-15-2019 12:39 AM


Re: Name one.
I'm not aware of any evolutionary theory that has provided a practical use in medicine or in any form of applied science.

Well, you are a religionist and we already know your powers of critical thinking and logic can, shall we say, be difficult to accept so this opinion, like so many others by you and your most holy brethren holds no sway.

Got any more?


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Message 143 of 1362 (849630)
03-16-2019 1:55 PM
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03-16-2019 1:34 PM


Re: Name one.
FTL. faster than light, warp speed, relatively quick, not slow.

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Message 157 of 1362 (849660)
03-17-2019 9:06 AM
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03-17-2019 2:07 AM


Re: Name one.
Well, you are a religionist and we already know your powers of critical thinking and logic can, shall we say, be difficult to accept so this opinion, like so many others by you and your most holy brethren holds no sway.
Got any more?
If you disagree with my claim, please provide an example of a practical use for evolutionary theory.

Typical creationist BS.

The point here Drudge, is that your claim is not worth debating. You are a troll ignorant of the science and the particulars of the issues. Your only purpose here is to insult evolution in a vain attempt to emotionally shore-up your errant beliefs in religious majik.

You fail, miserably, in intellect, knowledge, logic and all the other attributes necessary to debate questions with thinking human beings. You are desperate to debunk the tenets of evolution since they destroy your precious god delusions and that scares the hell out of you.

Interesting. It actually scares the hell into you which is why you feel so desperate.

Think about it. You have before you a proven hell-free existence just by embracing reality. You don't really need your gods after all.

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Message 185 of 1362 (849744)
03-20-2019 3:29 AM
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03-20-2019 1:28 AM


Re: Name one.
Therefore you would agree with me that evolutionary theory has provided no practical uses at all in applied science ... no?

No.

Therefore I know you are a troll whose claims are not worth debating.

You spout nothing but typical creationist BS deserving of nothing but anti-theist rants.

And if I hadn't emphasized the point enough to get it through your typical creationist BS brain, your worthless claim is nothing but a desperate attempt to attack evolution in a vain attempt to emotionally shore-up your errant beliefs in religious majik at which you fail miserably.

To your credit you did get something right. I am not just atheist. I am quite firmly anti-theist. And I rant. Congratulations, you have uncovered another great truth in the universe.


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Message 202 of 1362 (849776)
03-20-2019 9:19 PM
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03-20-2019 3:47 AM


Re: Name one.
YET ANOTHER God-phobic, mouth-foaming rant

I hope you weren't expecting otherwise.

after which I think I can safely assume that you can't provide an example of a practical use for evolutionary theory

I recall Tanypteryx saying something nice I would like to mimic.

The best use of the Theory of Evolution is seeing how pissed off you get.

... a bitter pill for you to swallow.

Yes, it is, realizing so many people can be so intellectually challenged as to believe the crazy carpola you spout.

I was hoping for better from my species.

Bitter pill, indeed.


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Message 209 of 1362 (849799)
03-21-2019 4:05 PM
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03-21-2019 11:05 AM


Only to a YEC can millions of years be 'sudden'.

I had a friend at UT Austin, geology prof, has what he calls his "geologist's watch" on his desk.

It's one of those snow-globe-type things filled with sand, mud and a goodly amount of small green plastic pieces of fern leafs. The trick is the stuff is all weighted to fall into layers with the green stuff in the middle.

So he shakes it up sets it down and announces that when the layer of green turns into oil it's time for lunch. Geologist can't tell time either.

That is his explanation for why he and others in the field consider the Cambrian explosion as a mere 10-30 million year "overnight" event. That's where Dredge, or rather as you point out, his favorite YEC websites, get this "sudden appearances" tripe.

Yep. It's all the geologists' fault.

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Message 215 of 1362 (849813)
03-22-2019 10:36 AM
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03-22-2019 1:34 AM


As far as I know, googling "practical uses for the theory of evolution" comes up with nothing. But googling "practical uses for evolution/priciples of evolution" produces many such uses. I find that interesting.

Understanding the internet and google, how they work, from where their data flows, this is not at all surprising. There are a lot of useless uninformed treatments in such a list of results.

The key is swamping through the chaff to find the legitimately knowledgeable works, then, the hard part for religionist creationists, is reading, studying, comprehending that body of knowledge.

I get the impression you don't even look at the results. You scan the titles, scan a few words looking for a bone to pick, but eschew the scholastic rigor of understanding the data and the concepts the various sources, in concert, seek to convey.

That is being intellectually lazy. As a result you have no actual knowledge of the subject. You don't know what the hell you're talking about.

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Message 218 of 1362 (849828)
03-22-2019 7:11 PM
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03-22-2019 3:23 AM


But equally you could have a root system under it that works in the opposite direction

Praise the Noodlyness!

Ramen.


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Message 229 of 1362 (849845)
03-23-2019 9:08 AM
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03-23-2019 3:19 AM


Re: Name one.
Your arguments in this thread are as devastating as they are deep.

Not really. At this point in the discussion they are crafted to match your own deep musings.

What we get from you is that knowledge and the framework for its application are useless because ... because you say so. That's deep.


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