Chance as a sole-product of the Universe

OK, I'll go with your argument. Explain to me why chance is "something" rather than nothing.

This is a better podcast that more fully explains Sprouls logic.(or as AZ Paul3 claims, ignorance. )
Chance:The Modern MythAnd all that Genesis 3:22 says is that we humans gaine the knowledge of knowing both good and evil. This is hardly giving us any sort of divine status nor elevating us into Deity status. In my mind, the evidence these days shows that we are not clear on which is which. Scripture even confirms this: Repeated later in Proverbs: That last one is directed at me, the compulsive gambler. There is no such thing as chance. My problem is that I want to force Gods will (through prayer and pleading)to favor me...a desire that i am in no power to bring about. God is a God of tough love. Probably wants me to end up nearly broke like you, giving away all my spare change. Dont you ever think about your need to retire and realize that you cant count on the state or the people to support you? I do...which is why I get stressed and gamble...oddly counting on God...but according to *my* terms. Im learning, though.

What I mean is that probability is strictly measured...when they make random chip generators for slot machines or print a million lottery tickets, there is a known probability of precisely which ones will be winners and how much they will pay. It is predetermined. The universe, if it arose solely by chance, would arise from a mindless math concept that had, according to you, a set probability.

Probability is predetermined. Its value is set.Chance is by definition not predetermined....at least not by humans. If you wish to argue that chance (that created the universe) was predetermined, you need to explain Who or What determined and/or set the probability into concrete terms.Listen to the audio that I sent ringo: Chance:The Modern Myth And AZPaul3, igf you are watching, explain to me if you still think Sprouls argument is deceitful and why. Stile, you can chime in also. I want an opportunity to examine any vacuousness of the claim.Edited by Thugpreacha, : No reason given.Edited by Thugpreacha, : No reason given.

Sproul is dead, by the way. But essentially are you saying that Sproul makes simple things mysterious? Simple answers are not complete. You say that God lied. I say that the answer surely *must* be deeper, since we already know that God cannot lie nor would have any need to lie.

Scripture tells us. Also common sense. There is no rational reason nor need for God to lie.Edited by Thugpreacha, : No reason given.

Oh stop with your Faith display of Capital Letters! I was talking to ringo, who also buys that. And the serpant did not tell us the whole truth. We became "like God" or like one of us...only in that we became aware of the difference between good and evil. It is patently ridiculous for any created thing to become "like God". Even the serpent is a poor imitation. It is evident, however, that in today's world there are many imitative spirits, or vibes, or traits that mimic Jesus Christ yet are far from Him. God Himself may hollar from some mountain to stop misrepresenting Him. You, on the other hand, have no such authority.

But as I told you before and which is evident if you read who I was replying to, I was not even talking to or about you.Add By Edit: Oops. I *was* talking to you. OK, I stand corrected. Edited by Thugpreacha, : No reason given.