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Sarah Bellum Member (Idle past 624 days) Posts: 826 Joined: |
But there was a Sun and there were oceans and the hydrologic cycle must have been operating.
Unless some Occam's-Razor-smashing miracles happened. Otherwise it must have rained before the time of Noah.
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Sarah Bellum Member (Idle past 624 days) Posts: 826 Joined: |
Idyuts or idjits?
Of course not: we see further only because we stand on their shoulders. But that's no reason to believe the myths they passed down. Otherwise you'd be offering up offerings to placate Hephaestus every time you were worried about a volcano.
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Sarah Bellum Member (Idle past 624 days) Posts: 826 Joined:
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If you want to be a bible literalist, at least be consistent. The "mists" stuff was only during the days of creation before humans were created, "...for the LORD God had not caused it to rain upon the earth, and there was not a man to till the ground. But there went up a mist from the earth, and watered the whole face of the ground..."
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Sarah Bellum Member (Idle past 624 days) Posts: 826 Joined: |
On the contrary, without religion we'd be in better shape. Good people do good things, bad people do bad things, but in order to persuade good people to do bad things you need religion or some other ideology that brings in enthusiastic fanatics.
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Sarah Bellum Member (Idle past 624 days) Posts: 826 Joined: |
I'll go with Ayn Rand: no mystics of spirit, no mystics of muscle.
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Sarah Bellum Member (Idle past 624 days) Posts: 826 Joined: |
The reference to mystics isn't part of the flood discussion. But since you asked:
A character in Atlas Shrugged gives an explanation quote:
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Sarah Bellum Member (Idle past 624 days) Posts: 826 Joined: |
No problem.
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Sarah Bellum Member (Idle past 624 days) Posts: 826 Joined: |
The flood would not have laid down many layers, it would have laid down a simple structure with larger stones precipitating out first and, of course no igneous or metamorphic strata. Consider the strata shown by the valley of the Grand Canyon. The flood certainly wouldn't have laid down volcanic basalt at a low level, sandstone in the Bright Angel formation, limestone and dolomite in the Muav formation, shale in the Supai formation, sandstone in the Coconino formation, shale in the Toroweap formation, lava and cinders in the Shivwits and Uinkaret formations and sedimentary rock on top of that lava.
And that's just a few of the many, many different layers.
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Sarah Bellum Member (Idle past 624 days) Posts: 826 Joined: |
Volcanic layers appear at both old and young positions, with sedimentary layers in between and above.
You claim that your flood could lay down different sedimentary layers, such as shale and sandstone, but how could it lay down multiple such layers interleaved? That is, how could shale be between two sandstone layers, or sandstone between two shale layers?
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Sarah Bellum Member (Idle past 624 days) Posts: 826 Joined: |
A flood miles deep lasting for months would have pulverized and melted the polar ice caps, not to mention every glacier on the planet. But the ice caps were there centuries before the birth of Christ. The records go back as far as Pytheas of Massalia. That's an impossibly short time for ice caps to form!
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Sarah Bellum Member (Idle past 624 days) Posts: 826 Joined: |
You say we're in the end part of an Ice Age. How many ice ages do you think there have been since the end of your flood (which took place, as near as can be calculated from the Bible, during the Egyptian Sixth Dynasty)?
Even if there were only one Ice Age in the handful of centuries since the Sixth Dynasty, is that really enough time, considering the number of layers in ice cores and the slow rate of advance of glaciers?
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Sarah Bellum Member (Idle past 624 days) Posts: 826 Joined: |
You bring up a good point with the idea of "repeatable" phenomena. But while we can study beta decay or radio waves by watching ("detecting" rather!) them over and over, what about the happenings at the center of the Earth, or on a pulsar millions of light-years away? I'm sure you can think of many areas of science concerned with phenomena which cannot be manipulated "repeatably" with forceps and gloves on a lab bench!
(Of course, we CAN directly observe evolution and we CAN conduct experiments, as I described in my original post EvC Forum: "Best" evidence for evolution.. Look at the links about such topics as Buffalo grass, Madeira island house mice, the "American goatsbeard" and Nereis acuminata, but that's for another thread.)
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Sarah Bellum Member (Idle past 624 days) Posts: 826 Joined: |
Your statement that species-to-species evolution hasn't been observed is no more true than a statement that beta decay or radio waves haven't been observed, as I described in my original post EvC Forum: "Best" evidence for evolution.. Look at the links about such topics as Buffalo grass, Madeira island house mice, the "American goatsbeard" and Nereis acuminata, but that's for another thread.
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Sarah Bellum Member (Idle past 624 days) Posts: 826 Joined: |
Your statement that species-to-species evolution hasn't been observed is no more true than a statement that beta decay or radio waves haven't been observed, as I described in my original post EvC Forum: "Best" evidence for evolution.. Look at the links about such topics as Buffalo grass, Madeira island house mice, the "American goatsbeard" and Nereis acuminata, but that's for another thread.
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Sarah Bellum Member (Idle past 624 days) Posts: 826 Joined: |
You wrote "I question the claims of science when they base models on nature and laws having been the same." But it's important in science to have a consistency of scientific laws. There's no point in scientific laws that work on Monday but don't work on Tuesday!
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