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Message 5 of 1255 (857071)
07-05-2019 9:21 AM
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07-05-2019 9:05 AM


Re: Nope.
There is no geological evidence of a single world wide flood occurring around the world at any one specific time. This was determined centuries ago by ****** looking for such evidence, including Leonardo da Vinci.

Could you please sketch out the arguments "centuries ago" that "determined" there was no worldwide Flood.


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Message 7 of 1255 (857075)
07-05-2019 9:43 AM
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07-05-2019 9:33 AM


Re: By Faith from
My scenario is different from Hovind's. But I would like to see the arguments supposedly used against the Flood idea you say established that there was no Flood a long time ago. I'm sure I've already addressed them at one time or another but I need to see them described.

Thanks.


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Message 10 of 1255 (857083)
07-05-2019 11:03 AM
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07-05-2019 10:31 AM


Re: Nope.
Thank you.

I ******* there was more than that. I've already ******* through all that.

But I don't want to be on this thread, I didn't even want to be in the Flood argument at all. I don't know if I'll come back to it later but right now I don't want to be here.

But thanks again.

Edited by Admin, : Rerender after fixing regular expression for one of Faith's disallowed words.


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Message 13 of 1255 (857087)
07-05-2019 11:19 AM
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07-05-2019 11:08 AM


Re: Nope.
No, it's what I do when I'm worn out from trying to deal with it all and having a nervous breakdown at the same time.

Edited by Faith, : No reason given.


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Message 18 of 1255 (857143)
07-06-2019 9:24 AM
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07-05-2019 2:17 PM


Re: If there was a Biblical Flood, no one noticed.
Yes, in order to argue for the [ONE] biblical Flood the secular-science timing of all those locations is disputed. And on good grounds too: it's all conjecture that can't be tested except by reference to similar conjectures.

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Message 19 of 1255 (857144)
07-06-2019 9:31 AM
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07-05-2019 12:06 PM


Re: Nope.
What can I say, ringo. I've tried to clarify this so many times that making another attempt brings on a wave of hopelessness. There is simply no comparison with a local flood and it's hard for me to see how anyone would make the comparison at all. It's quantity for starters but the whole is also much greater than its parts in a way that's hard to describe. Does constant rain for forty days and nights sounds like it can be compared to a local flood? Multiply by millions the runoff from high places in a local flood, and the saturation of the hills in a local flood that produces mudslides that bury things, and then consider that the ocean water is soon going to rise up over the land area and completely cover it. Not to mention that tons of sediment will be collecting in the ocean water in the early phases too. And whatever "the fountains of the deep" are is probably going to contribute something to its uniqueness though since I don't really know what that refers to I don't know what.

Oh well, that's a start but I got such a sinking feeling about how nothing I say will ever get anything across to anybody I have to stop.

Edited by Faith, : No reason given.


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Message 21 of 1255 (857146)
07-06-2019 9:40 AM
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07-05-2019 11:40 AM


You are expecting to see the marks of a bottleneck as we would see it today, in which there is such a genetic depletion, down to homozygosity for a huge percentage of loci there is hardly any capacity for further evolution. But I thlnk that at the time of the Flood all living things would have still had a great deal of their original genetic diversity so that although the bottleneck would reduce some of it to fixed loci, it wouldn't be noticeable to us and there would still be an enormous capacity for further variation.

I've explained this a million times before and I know you've seen it but you don't llke it so you pretend I never said it.


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Message 22 of 1255 (857147)
07-06-2019 9:41 AM
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07-06-2019 9:36 AM


Re: If there was a Biblical Flood, no one noticed.
Well, all you have for your dates is subjective shuffling of whatever historical events you ***** you know.

And it's time Percy put you on a ********** diet as he has done to me.


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Message 23 of 1255 (857148)
07-06-2019 9:42 AM
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07-05-2019 11:20 AM


Re: Then there is the matter of Index Fossils
No, but the insult is noted.
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Message 24 of 1255 (857150)
07-06-2019 9:50 AM
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07-05-2019 10:03 AM


Re: By Faith from
The Greenland ice sheet didn't exist before the Flood, was probably the result of the ice age that followed the Flood.

It is true that the timing of tree rings and ice cores has to be wrong if the Flood is true so I put those in the column on your side for now. Sedimentary layers of course are far more easily explained as the product of the Flood than they are the natural occurrence over hundreds of millions of years. You either see it or you don't.


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Faith
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Message 27 of 1255 (857154)
07-06-2019 10:22 AM
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07-06-2019 10:09 AM


Re: By Faith from
Sedimentary layers of course are far more easily explained as the product of the Flood than they are the natural occurrence over hundreds of millions of years.

Don’t be ridiculous. Aside from the sheer volume,

No problem with volume. You just have the usual extreme underestimation of the size of the Flood.

the time required for lithification,

No problem under the weight of the huge stack of sediments.

the fossils,

The fossils are the best evidence for the Flood of all since it would have provided the conditions for the fossilization of bazillions of dead things.

the evidence of arid conditions,

The arid conditions occurred before the Flood which merely carried the material and deposited it.

the heavy erosion of some strata

The ones I'm aware of clearly occurred after the strata were laid down.

- and more all point to long periods of time as the explanation rather than a single Flood.

Yeah I know that's the establishment view, and I'd have to put in more time than I feel like doing to make my case.


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Message 28 of 1255 (857155)
07-06-2019 10:24 AM
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07-06-2019 10:05 AM


Re: By Faith from
Who said the ice age only lasted a few hundred years? I ***** it's still receding.

Oh there's a record of it, only it's misinterpreted in terms of multiple ice ages over a much longer period.


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Message 33 of 1255 (857168)
07-06-2019 10:47 AM
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07-06-2019 10:44 AM


Yeah, well I do expect the logic of it to make sense to some but it doesn't and I don't care any more.
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Message 36 of 1255 (857172)
07-06-2019 11:01 AM
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07-06-2019 10:56 AM


Re: By Faith from
It doesn't say there was a Greenland either, or a North America or continental drift. Putting together a scenario for the Flood has to take into account whatever seems to apply as long as it doesn't contradict the Bible, and I don't see how any of that does.
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Message 37 of 1255 (857175)
07-06-2019 11:08 AM
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07-06-2019 11:00 AM


Re: By Faith from
Yeah I know, but a whole stack miles deep of such neat flat straight layers of different kinds of specific sediments just doesn't fit with the vagaries of everyday llfe, which llfe we llve on a pretty jumbled-up dirt surface, which is what I'd expect of all periods in the history of the earth myself.

Edited by Faith, : No reason given.


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