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LamarkNewAge Member Posts: 2424 Joined: Member Rating: 1.2 |
I want open borders.
You oppose them. And your reasoning is your own business. Don't speak for people. Phat does too, if I understood him correctly. Edited by LamarkNewAge, : No reason given.
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LamarkNewAge Member Posts: 2424 Joined: Member Rating: 1.2 |
Thursday night he said this:
quote: quote: (Expect the EvC choir, led by Theodoric, to start to claim I said Biden was for OPEN BORDERS, like happened last time I mentioned Biden) EDIT: I might support Biden now. Edited by LamarkNewAge, : No reason given.
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LamarkNewAge Member Posts: 2424 Joined: Member Rating: 1.2 |
quote: This article shows us that despite the founders debate over immigration, there was never an effort to expel immigrants for roughly the first 100 years. The long article shows us that "open borders" came to an end for non-whites only in 1875, but continued for whites for decades longer. Also see:
quote: "a vastly maler and paler group" Sounds like EvC. Always keep the bias in mind.
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LamarkNewAge Member Posts: 2424 Joined: Member Rating: 1.2 |
Staffer says CNN bigwigs 'don't like Tulsi Gabbard' in Project Veritas video on eve of Dem debate - Washington Times
A secret Project Veritas interview led to a video that can be viewed online. He said she is disliked by network due to "one issue". War, of course. (There was a debate, here at EvC, between posters who argued whether she was right or left of center)
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LamarkNewAge Member Posts: 2424 Joined: Member Rating: 1.2 |
I don't even know who the guy is.
I had no idea about the group. But he has video from the 'mouth. Christian Sierra, of CNN, talked about the networks attitude. It is cut and dry. The corporate media has several individual parts. Part of it has spoken. Live with it.
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LamarkNewAge Member Posts: 2424 Joined: Member Rating: 1.2 |
I only knew of the video because I saw it while I was channel surfing (saw it on Tucker Carlson while switching between MSNBC and CNN).
The video footage that interested me was the actual CNN guy himself talking (Sierra). I did a quick google search, and found some articles (including the Washington Times). The CNN guy is what matters. He is the one talking (aside from the questions). It is all on video. Deal with it.
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LamarkNewAge Member Posts: 2424 Joined: Member Rating: 1.2 |
Again, the issue was whether CNN's Sierra felt Gabbard was more liberal than center (or center-right).
The issue was what CNN's Sierra said about her views. The issue was what Sierra said his network did not like about her. (I never mentioned that I have mixed views about some of what she has been saying about certain issues - like immigration - BUT THAT IS IRRELEVANT TO THE FACT-BASED CUT & DRY INTERVIEW I REFERENCED!) She does not sound right-wing to me on immigration (though she feels she get points for labeling her fellow Democrats as "open borders") Tulsi Gabbard’s Policies on Immigration Issues Deal with Christian Sierra saying she was "actually pretty liberal". The video is not beyond your grasp. Edited by LamarkNewAge, : No reason given.
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LamarkNewAge Member Posts: 2424 Joined: Member Rating: 1.2 |
Here is a relevant story (from a paper I read every day when I am in NYC) which has a picture and quote from Sierra.
(The quote, however, is not about Gabbard) Undercover Video Reveals Tension Between CNN Staff, Leadership Over Nonstop Trump Focus Here are some questions and answers (from the Veritas site) from Sierra, but no video it seems. It skipped that part where he said "she is actually pretty liberal", but the initial Washington Times link (in my first post) quoted it. (EDIT - - - I forgot the link and am no longer at the site, and I don't feel like finding it. It lacked video and the quotes of Sierra were selective anyway) (see Tucker Carlson link for relevant part, but, again, no video) I FOUND THE TUCKER TRANSCRIPT (the show from October 16 that caused me to post that night)
quote: I saw Christian Sierra say what this transcript showed. And my initial October 16 Washington Times link reported on the "liberal" views comment that I SAW SIERRA SAY. (On a side note, I felt the League of Women's Voters had an anti-immigration bias. It did make for some great answers by Ronald Reagan in his races against Carter and Mondale, however.) Edited by LamarkNewAge, : left out Project Veritas link. Sorry.
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LamarkNewAge Member Posts: 2424 Joined: Member Rating: 1.2 |
There was a debate, here at EvC, which centered around people debating whether Gabbard was "center-right, or "center-left".
The amazing thing is that the main accredited liberal group, Americans for Democratic Action, give her a 95% (according to the most recent year scored - 2016 - at a site I will link to below), which is something that only about a third of U.S. Senate/House Democrats could achieve in past decades (I don't follow the scorecard stuff much these days and have not for a while). Look at this comprehensive site showing all sorts of groups ratings, and it IS SORTED BY YEAR. (everything is sorted by an issue genre topic) The Voter's Self Defense System - Vote Smart Look at immigration, and I will look at the most recent year of each group below The National Iranian-American Council gave her 100% for positions taken in 2017 (the most recent year a pro immigration group scored members). The larger number of anti-immigration groups give here scores anywhere from 0% to a 13%. Hispanic Federation, LCLAA, LULAC, Mi Familia Vota, NCLR, and Voto Latino - National Immigration Scorecard gave her 100% in 2014 (the most recent year they scored) 2014 UnidosUS (formerly known as National Council of La Raza) - Positions (Preliminary) 100% 2013-2014 American Immigration Lawyers Association - Positions 100% 2013 Arab American Institute - Positions on Arab-American Issues 100% Here is everything for education
quote: Healthcare scorecards since 2016
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LamarkNewAge Member Posts: 2424 Joined: Member Rating: 1.2 |
quote: Everybody complains about "FAKE NEWS"! Why can't people just agree that the corporations we call our "new channels" have their politicians they like or dislike? I am about as pro-immigration as one can get, and I have no trouble admitting that CNN & Jeff Zucker will be inclined to be critical of Trump (partly) over that issue. They don't base their "mood" on the immigration issue alone, as Romney was even more anti-immigration (in 2012) than Trump, but he got very decent treatment from the CNN part of the media. It is complicated, and frankly the center/moderate (mainstream) media has become more pro-immigration in recent years than in the past, for whatever reasons. CNN does have an anti-Trump "mood" among its visible employees. Where does it come from exactly (Zucker alone? Or various factors)? The media has often had hosts and journalists who express views, but don't actually tell you who they will ultimately vote for (Endorsing a party or candidate used to be seen as a "conflict of interests", even among those journalists with clear ideologies, because it would cause the journalist to be forced to spend energy on heavily partisan-slanted work which would compromise good journalism). Now: There have always been opinions. Now there has become an outright intensity in expressing opinions (necessarily) COMBINED with an outright erosion of the thin-line preventing the hosts & journalists from letting you know how they want you to vote. It has led to a lot of (wasted) creative energy, among our media hosts & journalists, devoted to defending and justifying the quasi (if not outright) political endorsements and opposition. "News" is going to clearly have its "good guys" and "bad guys" to report on, with all of the necessary energy devoted to justification of the classification. (Some will just say "the media is being more honest", now, instead of "pretending to be fair" in the past. I don't know what to say about the change; is it good or bad? It has its ups and downs.) Edited by LamarkNewAge, : No reason given.
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LamarkNewAge Member Posts: 2424 Joined: Member Rating: 1.2
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Sanders did better than the rest among 1004 adults and essentially tied among the 880 that were registered voters .
Among all adults Sanders beat Trump 52 to 44 while Biden was 51 to 44 over Trump. Buttigieg was up 1. Registered voters had Biden up 50 to 46 and Sanders up 49 to 47. Buttigieg was down 48 to 45. Bloomberg was up 49 to 46. Warren was tied with Trump 48 to 48. Only Biden and Bloomberg did slightly better than Sanders. Bloomberg was roughly the same as Sanders among the 1004 polled before the poll looks at just the 880 registered to vote. 51 to 43 over Trump. But only Sanders reached 52 percent support. Sanders is electable in 2020 regardless of what else you think of him. Hillary Clinton and the DNC got their way in 2016 because they were a trusted echo chamber by Democratic primary voters. But was it wise to give the DNC the keys to the general election to take on Trump. Question asked.
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LamarkNewAge Member Posts: 2424 Joined: Member Rating: 1.2 |
The 3 most recent polls are the above Washington Post ABC poll and a FOX poll and the Emerson poll.
Emerson first. Biden and Warren are tied 50 to 50 in a hypothetical general election race against Trump. Buttigieg looses but Sanders leads Trump 51 to 49. So much for DNC propaganda that claims Sanders is the worst choice for the general election when such great candidates like Hillary Clinton and Joe Biden are choices or possible choices during the convention. Fox has Biden up by 8 over Trump while Sanders is up 48 to 42 . Even Buttigieg is up 4 in the Fox poll. Warren is up 5. Bloomberg is up 9. Sanders beats Trump in the 3 most recent general election polls and Biden can't say that See Real Clear for this situation early Wednesday morning and 5 days before the Feb 3 Iowa decision. Edited by LamarkNewAge, : No reason given.
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LamarkNewAge Member Posts: 2424 Joined: Member Rating: 1.2 |
Attempt 3
I lost my 2 attempts due to phone clicks being difficult. Sanders6did good in a Texas Lyceum poll. Only lost to Trump 50 to 47 while others did worse. Liberals do win by smaller margins in deep blue states but do. Better in the states that count. See Nate silvers 538 site and Real Clear for latest polls
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LamarkNewAge Member Posts: 2424 Joined: Member Rating: 1.2 |
Sanders beats Trump 53 to 47 while Biden was up 51 to 49
Others lost Edited by AdminPhat, : spellling. I hate smart phones auto correct
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LamarkNewAge Member Posts: 2424 Joined: Member Rating: 1.2 |
He had a Jan 28 article showing polls which have 70 percent of Americans and 25 percent of Democrats saying that they would never vote for a socialist. Then he shows that a Democratic Socialist gets 57 to 59 percent of voters saying that they could never support.
He looks at lots of polls on label questions. He ignores the NBC Marist poll that had Sanders beat Trump 51 to 43 percent a week or so ago. In New Hampshire. This is a state that Trump6did 2 petcen6better than the national average in 2016. This state is one that knows what Sanders GOP opponents say every 2 years when he runs for reelection in Vermont. Republicans buy scary socialist ads for every election and air them in New Hampshire.
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