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jar Member (Idle past 423 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
So God won't welcome Christians based on their behavior, yet will give everyone else a break? Try honesty Phat. When have I ever said that?
I wonder what the look on your face will be if your credentials are challenged at the front door?? "Do you accept Jesus"? "what do you mean?" "Just answer the question---to whom do you credit your presence here today?" "Why shucks...i figger it has to be on me!" "NEXT!" It would be laughter and "Works for me."Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!
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jar Member (Idle past 423 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined:
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Why would such a god deserve anything more than pity?
Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!
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jar Member (Idle past 423 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
Who are we to determine what God deserves or does not deserve? I am a human.
I think you have a wrong idea of God when you insist that the book says that we should judge Him. What does the evidence say? Have you read the Bible? In Genesis 3 does the god character say we have gained the capability to know right from wrong? Does Abraham question the god character's morality? Does Jacob struggle with the god character? Does 'Israel' mean "Struggles with God"?
How did we earn such a right? How could we even begin to have the credentials to judge the Creator Of All Things Seen And Unseen? Adam & Eve ate from the Tree of Knowledge of Good and Evil. That gave us such a right AND also gave us the needed capabilities.
why would we dare think that God deserved pity anyway? We dare because we are human.
Who made US God? We are not God. The problem Phat is that so much of Christianity is actually a dumbed down product. It was created to be easily marketed. But remember, Jesus has almost nothing to do with Christianity; Jesus was not a Christian, he was a Jew.Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!
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jar Member (Idle past 423 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined:
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We have brains for a reason and that is to use them. Stop and think.
Does a state of anarchy still exist in New Orleans? Was it not humanity that restored New Orleans? Humans decided that lawlessness and anarchy were not the answer and humans, humanity, restored order and reason. You do not help kids by doing for them, you help by teaching them how to do it themselves. The problem really is that much of Christianity (particularly the Calvinist traditions) is morally bankrupt and self defeating. It starts and ends with a losers concept and should be pitied when it actually produces losers. It is time to stop whining that your shoes are untied and instead learn to tie them. Reality is Big Kids school, no longer Kindergarten.Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!
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jar Member (Idle past 423 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined:
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I need to add one more item. You often say stuff like "Using logic, the Creator of all seen and unseen would not steer us wrong."
HUH? How is that position arrived at logically? And "The core of my belief and hope in life, love, and liberty is that God, if God exists, is good and wants us to survive and prosper. " Again, how is that logically derived? Saying you use logic and actually using logic are two different things. Why would the Creator of all seen and unseen logically treat humans differently than other species? Where are the dinos? The mega fauna? Saber Tooth cats and mastadons? Logically, why would humans be treated differently? Are you confusing wishful thinking with logic and reason?Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!
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jar Member (Idle past 423 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
again, where is even a semblance of reason or logic in ...
Phat writes: It all flows through Jesus Christ. The creator of all seen and unseen cannot be known or understood apart from Jesus Christ---at least for we humans. Perhaps whales have a different method of sharing communion. But then again, God is not simply a product of our imagination....I could be wrong. Phat writes: Add by edit: Do you believe that God is alienated from our idea of Him? If so, is it possible that Jesus death was every bit as important as His life...in order to provide reconciliation? HUH? What does that even mean? What does any of that have to do with the questions asked in Message 272 or Message 274 or Message 276 or any other post in this topic?Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!
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jar Member (Idle past 423 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
Phat writes: jar writes: We don't always get to frame our own topics. What does any of that have to do with the questions asked in Message 272 or Message 274 or Message 276 or any other post in this topic? I thought the person who started the topic framed the topic? Isn't the topic "Christianity is Morally Bankrupt?" So you have no response or will not respond to the questions or the topic. Got it.
Phat writes: But in reference to the moral bankruptcy of Christianity, don't you think you are taking too big a step in calling out all members of clubs christian that have Calvinist roots? Not at all. Calvinism is a theology based on the assumption that humans are failures, predestined to be failures and incapable of actually doing anything of worth or merit.
Phat writes: I swear you must have had a Jewish Mother! You mean like Jesus? Nope, my mother was a Presbyterian.Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!
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jar Member (Idle past 423 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
Again, no answer from you.
Why is it logical?Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!
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jar Member (Idle past 423 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
How is it logical even from a human centrist perspective?
Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!
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jar Member (Idle past 423 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
Again, that is bias not logic.
Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!
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jar Member (Idle past 423 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
Phat writes: Why would the Christians get singled out and picked on....being hypothetically rejected in a greater percentage than any other belief or non-belief? You need to learn to read. I do not say that there will be a higher percentage of non-Christians, but that there will be more non-Christians. The latter is simple math, there have been more non-Christians than there are Christians and likely always will be more non-Christians than Christians. What is your continued fascination with zombies?Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!
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jar Member (Idle past 423 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
Phat writes: The problem here is that you cant simply "save" someone who doesn't feel a need to change. They must first surrender. If you allow them to keep their own opinions and beliefs, you are really not saving them. If I give them food can they eat? If I give them a coat can they keep warm? Why would I care what they believed?
Phat writes: I suppose the next question is this: If all of these various beliefs are allowed in Heaven, will there then be a universal consensus in that place? What would you expect God Himself to contribute to that consensus? After all, there certainly needs to be standards in heaven. It cant be some giant social club. Why not?
Phat writes: That my point also. Everyone admitted to heaven needs to be transformed. They simply cant waltz in the door smoking a cigarette. (Unless God had no problem with it, which I highly doubt.) Why do they need to be transformed? Can't they all just get along?
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jar Member (Idle past 423 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
Phat writes: What I will say, however, is that I never knew God until I was saved. And what evidence convinced you that you knew God or were saved? What does either of those silly statements even mean?
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jar Member (Idle past 423 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
Phat writes: I suppose that this lends support to your belief that Christianity is about what you do. All I'm arguing about is the fact that its more than that. But nothing there answers either of the questions. And what evidence convinced you that you knew God or were saved? What does either of those silly statements even mean?
Phat writes: I honestly don't know what exactly happened except that it was a definite perception of a major change in my life that has continued to this day. Even if the change was real, what is the evidence to support any attribution to "knowing God" or "Being saved"? People change. People evolve. What evidence convinced you that you knew God or were saved? What does either of those silly statements even mean? Why do such questions never get answered?
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jar Member (Idle past 423 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
Phat writes: Perhaps it is, but I think that of all the Christians who claim the name, perhaps 20% of them at best actually feel close to God. And you still offer no idea of what that even means?
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