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Author Topic:   Did the Flood really happen?
jar
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Message 1292 of 2370 (868719)
12-17-2019 1:27 PM
Reply to: Message 1291 by Faith
12-17-2019 1:05 PM


reality vs the Bible Created in the Image of Biblical Christians.
There is no reason for you to mention it except as yet another example of you just making stuff up.
It is NOT mentioned in either of the Biblical Flood Myths.
Now when you actually have some evidence perhaps then we can consider it.

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Message 1300 of 2370 (868732)
12-17-2019 4:11 PM
Reply to: Message 1299 by RAZD
12-17-2019 3:55 PM


It really should be simple to explain.
The Green River Varves should be easily explained by a Flood that lays down a dark layer and then a light layer 11.45 times during every minute regularly for a full year.
11.45 x 60 minutes x 24 hours x 365 days = 6,018,120 instances. All we need is a model, mechanism, method, process or procedure for a Flood to lay down a light colored layer and then a dark colored layer about every 5 seconds and do that continuously for a year. Oh, and not disturb the column either during or after its creation.
Should be easy to explain.

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jar
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Message 1303 of 2370 (868737)
12-17-2019 4:37 PM
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12-17-2019 4:32 PM


Re: It really should be simple to explain.
Faith writes:
Yes you've got all that putative evidence, but if it's true that the standard scenario is physically impossible, which it is, plus other problems, then that evidence is simply going to have to be reinterpreted.
No Faith, what needs to be reinterpreted is the silly notion that there was ever a Biblical Flood.
The evidence exists.
Now those people who think that either of the Biblical Flood myths actually happened need to present the model, method, mechanism, process or procedure that allows their flood to produce the evidence that exists in reality.

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Message 1312 of 2370 (868774)
12-18-2019 11:41 AM
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12-18-2019 11:06 AM


But Wait: There's more ...
RAZD writes:
The varves extend over 40,000 square miles in area with these wafer thin varves.
And interestingly we don't see such evidence just outside the area. The magical Flood must have some magical model, mechanism, method, process or procedure that is local to just those relatively small areas where varves are found.
Yet another simple thing for Faith to explain.

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jar
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Message 1323 of 2370 (868790)
12-18-2019 3:17 PM
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12-18-2019 3:06 PM


Re: It really should be simple to explain.
Faith writes:
However, the Cretaceous is not a marine layer, it's a terrestrial layer and often has dinosaurian type fossils IIRC, reptilian anyway. It's not marine however.
And so once again you make a really silly false statement.
Cretaceous is a time period. During the Cretaceous there is land and seas and hills and valleys and rivers and streams and lakes and shores and examples of all those things and all the lifeforms that lived on and in those environments can be found.

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jar
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Message 1327 of 2370 (868794)
12-18-2019 3:27 PM
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12-18-2019 3:20 PM


Re: It really should be simple to explain.
Good luck trying to justify that absurdity Faith.
As in every era there are areas that have never been under water.

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jar
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Message 1335 of 2370 (868814)
12-18-2019 5:31 PM
Reply to: Message 1334 by Faith
12-18-2019 5:22 PM


Re: How to use the Bible, in this case about the Flood
Faith writes:
In the places where the mountains were pushed up to great heights there weren't any people or even many animals living until their growth had slowed down quite a bit. Fast then slow, gradual, not sudden, not instantaneous.
And the evidence to support that absurdity is????????????????
How do you account for the evidence inside the very rock of the mountains of living things?

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jar
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Message 1337 of 2370 (868822)
12-18-2019 7:13 PM
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12-18-2019 5:59 PM


Re: How to use the Bible, in this case about the Flood
LOL
Then the critters were living there before the mountains were pushed up.
Have you ever read what you post Faith?

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jar
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Message 1339 of 2370 (868827)
12-18-2019 8:03 PM
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12-18-2019 7:43 PM


Re: How to use the Bible, in this case about the Flood
So you don't even read what you write.
Got it!

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jar
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Message 1341 of 2370 (868831)
12-18-2019 8:43 PM
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12-18-2019 8:35 PM


Re: How to use the Bible, in this case about the Flood
Truth and reality seem to bother you.

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jar
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Message 1354 of 2370 (868888)
12-19-2019 4:35 PM
Reply to: Message 1353 by Faith
12-19-2019 4:31 PM


Re: How to use the Bible, in this case about the Flood
There is no Ice Age in either of the Biblical Flood stories. You are just writing the Bible in YOUR image yet again.

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jar
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Message 1360 of 2370 (868895)
12-19-2019 5:16 PM
Reply to: Message 1357 by PaulK
12-19-2019 4:51 PM


silly all one type of rock nonsense.
Faith has been shown a Brazillion different images of the geological column at the Grand Canyon that show layer related to specific eras but without it seems understanding anything at all. But it's always worth yet anopther attempt to try to teach her a little about reality.
This image includes demarcation lines segregating layers by their geological period and maybe will help.
Note that in this particular column only the Mississippian era and the Devonian era consist of a single type of deposition. But even there when examined in detail we find that the layers are not monolithic but include evidence of other materials and where erosion has removed a significant percentage of the additional material as for example the partial remains of some Temple Butte formation within the Mauve Limestone layer and some remnant of the Surprise Canyon formation within the Redwall Limestone layer.

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jar
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Message 1362 of 2370 (868900)
12-19-2019 5:26 PM
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12-19-2019 5:20 PM


Re: silly all one type of rock nonsense.
But all sandstone is not the same Faith. All limestone is not the same Faith.
And reality does exist. No one has ever presented a model, mechanism, method, process or procedure that would make it possible for any flood to create what is found in reality.
The two Biblical Flood stories are just fiction Faith and not even very good or original fiction.
AbE:
Faith writes:
And instead of making petty little objections out of petty little facts how about addressing the FACT that it's absolutely impossible for any of the strata to ever have been a time period/landscape.
Actually Faith, ALL of the evidence shows that every layer, every strata was originally a landscape on the surface of the eath with its own unique environment and population.
Edited by jar, : see AbE.
Edited by jar, : ever----> everY

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jar
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Message 1376 of 2370 (868941)
12-20-2019 1:30 PM
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12-20-2019 1:21 PM


Re: Don't you ever dust?
Except that there is absolute evidence for layers above and below such examples that are NOT deposits in water and you have been shown many such examples Faith. How does either of the Biblical Floods create sand dunes?

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jar
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Message 1378 of 2370 (868943)
12-20-2019 1:58 PM
Reply to: Message 1377 by Faith
12-20-2019 1:31 PM


Re: Don't you ever dust?
Sand dunes are not deposited in water. How did either of your floods deposit sand dunes.

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