Did the Flood really happen?

Show me. Show me. Show me.

So questionable fragments of incomplete ancient texts are your evidence that human lifespans were centuries long in the past. Questionable fragments of incomplete ancient texts are your evidence that gods and spirits exist. Ancient texts that you cannot read, cannot verify, cannot question, yet you believe them and their rendering of time and nature.On the other hand there are hundreds of thousands of modern texts with millions of pages of supporting documents that you *can* read, that you *can* verify, that you *can* question and (amazingly) get actual answers from, that you decide by your own incredulity are wrong and cannot be facts. And this incredulity is not based upon the knowledge of any of the fields, their methods, processes and procedures, but only that these facts contradict your personal religious beliefs.You believe the ancient texts. Yet, you try to tell us our *belief* in demonstrable facts are not science and are not real. You cannot be trusted with evidence. You cannot do science. You deny the hard facts in front of your eyes as beliefs while you yourself *believe* on a mere wisp of a whim the questionable fragments of incomplete ancient texts.You have no evidence of long ancient lives. You have no evidence of gods or spirits ancient or modern.In the other threads when presented with the evidence you continue to deny, to nitpick, to obfuscate. You are a science denier. You are a danger to the intellectual breath and depth of our entire species.You have no evidence of a *different* nature in the past. You cannot define it, measure it or show any of its effects.You never could. You never will.You have nothing.

As I said, you cannot be trusted with real factual evidence. You cannot do science.The fact that the nature around us is now and has been in the deep past the same without change is scientifically established. As usual, in your religious zeal, you refuse to see it and have to go hide you eyes, cover your ears and mumble your catechism so your mind won't be bothered by reality.My part was done some time ago. Message 1602 Message 1657 etc. This is not "belief". It is fact, no matter how you try to avoid it, obfuscate it, deny it. Real facts firmly established in these forums.It's been your turn for many weeks now. You have produced no evidence of some "other" nature in the past.You tried to put up some incomplete ancient text fragments that in your twisted science-denying mind you think constitutes facts. That was just plain stupid. Don't try that crap here again.You have presented no evidence. Without evidence your fantasy is rejected.Do you have anything viable to present to us in support of your "other nature" delusions?Edited by AZPaul3, : No reason given.

So you still have nothing to offer? Again, already done but you refuse to see. The reality has been presented to you.

More rank denial. Pathetic little child.

No. It is a fact. One you are too ignorant to comprehend.There is no evidence that "nature" changed in the past or ever. Such is a most stupid invention with no viability and is nothing more than the ravings of a desperate religionist trying to foist an evil doctrine upon society.

Then leave the field. You have been bested.Your evil religious intentions are rejected.There is no "other" nature except within your demented twisted little religiously poisoned mind.

Anyone who wants to speak of science must conform to scientific language, syntax and definitions.Anything less is ignorance and will be derided, ridiculed and ultimately ignored.

And the practitioners of the sciences determine where and when any limits apply to scientific terminology. Not some religious yahoo on an internet forum.

Science has NO limits. The ability to arrive at scientific conclusions may be limited by the data *presently* available but there is NOTHING science cannot track, analyse, hypothesize and, eventually, come to a conclusion on when enough data becomes available.We can do science on ANYTHING in this universe. Science has no limits. None.

That has nothing to do with the scientific meanings of words and concepts.When a field of science gives a specific scientific meaning to a word then THAT is THE ONLY allowed definition of that word in ANY scientific discussion. No other definitions are allowed or accepted.If you cannot accept and properly use a word with a defined and accepted scientific definition then you cannot do the science and your arguments are rejected.

There are no limits to what science can investigate.Physics, this universe, as revealed to us by this science, limits what actions matter and energy can take. The science is not limited. The physics is.If you had any knowledge in science and physics you would have known this and would not have tried such a stupid, vacuous response.

You don't give any kind of scientific discussion. You give inane silly delusional reasons for supporting your religious fairy tales. That is a major difference.You are using religious bullshit to deride known and respected science like you know better and can overrule thousands of the smartest people our species has ever produced.The only appropriate response to that is contemptuous derision.Religion is an evil disease infesting the mind of humanity and deserves no patience, tolerance or respect.Insult, strongly delivered, repeatedly voiced, widely shouted, is the only remedy to such evil.Religion is like Nazis. You need to be punched in the mouth and stomped on ... hard. Yeah it is and we know it is fake. This forum is full of the evidence. You fools lost this one more than 50 years ago but are so fucking blind and so fucking stupid you keep coming back with the same refuted bullshit over and over.I should soften this before I post it but I let myself get too mad so bite me.Edited by AZPaul3, : No reason given.

As with all physical things in this universe the laws of physics places strict limits on the physical actions of we puny humans. But it has also allowed through the emergent properties of our physical minds an intellect and a creative imagination that appear unbounded through time.What we have found is that in science humanity's knowledge continues to grow in ways and fields we never know possible and our technology continues to grow to overcome physical limitations.You are right, I cannot admit to limits on our knowledge and abilities because, as history has shown us, unfettered by religious shackles, both knowledge and ability continue to progress. There is a vast universe of knowledge to be uncovered and we humans have just barely begun to explore. We have overcome so many "limits" to our knowledge and ability in the past that only a religious fool would suggest this will not continue.

We do not assume nature was the same in the past. We know it was. We can see the past and we can see the operations of the laws of physics are consistent. This is fact. It is settled science and need not be justified to some religious nut case with a hair up his butt.If you care to challenge this then it is up to you to produce the evidence of this "other, different" nature.