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AZPaul3 Member Posts: 8712 From: Phoenix Joined: Member Rating: 5.0 |
I do BBC, PBS, and yes I admit some CNN, for most TV news. During the day as I peruse these haunts I usually have Comet TV with the likes of Bradbury Theater or The Outer Limits on in the background.
Though I know of some that absorb their news from the twilight trance of shared universal consciousness they experience before waking from an afternoon nap, I've seldom found such news comforting so I ignore it.Stop Tzar Vladimir the Condemned!
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Phat Member Posts: 18716 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 4.2 |
I usually watch either BBC or Al Jazeera for s different perspective. CBS News is OK too.
"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain " *** “…far from science having buried God, not only do the results of science point towards his existence, but the scientific enterprise itself is validated by his existence.”- Dr.John Lennox “A God without wrath brought men without sin into a Kingdom without judgment through the ministrations of a Christ without a Cross.” “The most difficult subjects can be explained to the most slow-witted man if he has not formed any idea of them already; but the simplest thing cannot be made clear to the most intelligent man if he is firmly persuaded that he knows already, without a shadow of a doubt, what is laid before him.” — Leo Tolstoy, The Kingdom of God is Within You
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Percy Member Posts: 23185 From: New Hampshire Joined: Member Rating: 5.7
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We've been hearing this for a few days, but I finally have to comment. This is from today's Washington Post:
quote What kind of crazy war is it where the attackee is not allowed to attack the attacker? This is insane. How can a country deter a belligerent if the belligerent never has to worry about suffering the same consequences of war as the country they're attacking? We're just not serious about this war. We're not listening to the late Colin Powell who declared that in any war you must go in with overwhelming force to win as quickly as possible, because war is hell, and prolonging it into a long painful slog of daily death and destruction for years is evil. What we're doing is evil. We should immediately send the 60 requested launchers to Ukraine and begin to end this thing. And Ukraine, with both our blessing and encouragement (as opposed to the incredibly wimpy "don't make Russia mad" approach), should start attacking Russian production facilities, supply lines, troop movements, and yes, cities. I don't understand the reluctance to send the requested rocket launchers. What if Ukraine is wrong or lying and they don't really need that many launchers. What is the worst that could happen? Are any of the negative consequences worse than Ukraine falling to Russia? But what if Ukraine is right that they need those launchers else they'll lose the war. The negative consequences of Ukraine losing the war are severe. Even if they just lose their eastern half, the consequences are still severe because the east is resource rich and will make Russia more powerful, which is the opposite of our stated goal to make Russia weaker. And Russia will continue through both political intrigue and military force to try to take over Ukraine. Putin must get a real kick out of how he hardly has to do anything to get the west to tie its own hands behind its back. I haven't said this in a while in this thread, but it's time to say it again. This is appeasement just like before WWII where no one wanted to rile Hitler for fear he might start a war. --Percy PS: I don't think I've mentioned this yet, but we're moving to a new server soon because the OS on the current one is being EOL'd. I'm still on the shake down cruise, and this message is the first posted from the new server. If anyone would like to try it, the IP address is 66.148.122.44. It's http, not https, because I haven't added the SSL/TLS certificates yet. Of course, if this doesn't work no one will see this. ![]() |
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Tangle Member Posts: 9633 From: UK Joined: Member Rating: 5.4 |
I see that Putin's de-Nazification of Ukraine involves threatening Jews in Russia.
Moscow’s Chief Rabbi flees ‘after pressure from Kremlin to support Ukraine war’Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. I am Mancunian. I am Brum. I am London. Olen Suomi Soy Barcelona. I am Ukraine. "Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed. |
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coffee_addict Member (Idle past 191 days) Posts: 3645 From: Indianapolis, IN Joined: |
Ok, as terrible as this sounds, I'm glad that the war is so far contained in Ukraine. I live just outside a major metropolitan area (aka primary ICBM target). If the shit hits the fan, I will be blind and horribly burnt and will be in agony for days before I die. Not looking forward to that at all.
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ringo Member (Idle past 736 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
coffee_addict writes:
I live in the middle of nowhere - but due north of the air base at Minot, North Dakota (we used to watch the contrails of the B-52s heading north to Russia) and downwind of the missile base at Malmstrom Montana. I live just outside a major metropolitan area (aka primary ICBM target). There's nowhere to hide."I call that bold talk for a one-eyed fat man!" -- Lucky Ned Pepper
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Tangle Member Posts: 9633 From: UK Joined: Member Rating: 5.4
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I'm hoping that the looming global food shortages are going to force the West to break the blockade of Ukrainian ports. Doing that would change the game but so far the West is shying away from making that commitment feeling that that could be a declaration of war.
The annoying thing is that if they gave more weapons faster, Ukraine could stop the Russians dead and even push them back. There's some pieces of this jigsaw that we don't know about.Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. I am Mancunian. I am Brum. I am London. Olen Suomi Soy Barcelona. I am Ukraine. "Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.
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vimesey Member (Idle past 397 days) Posts: 1398 From: Birmingham, England Joined:
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There's some pieces of this jigsaw that we don't know about. I've been a commercial lawyer for over 30 years now, and in that time I've had a bit of exposure to the vile world of mega wealth and power. What goes on there is complex, revolting and without any degree of humanity. People only make it into that world if they are bereft of kindness and decency. Ultimately, it's about wealth and privilege and the desire for power. That is a complex and impenetrable web of pulleys and levers. Sadly, no revolution ever gets rid of that - it just replaces one group of dictators with another group of dictators, pulling the same pulleys and levers.Could there be any greater conceit, than for someone to believe that the universe has to be simple enough for them to be able to understand it ?
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Phat Member Posts: 18716 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 4.2 |
tangle writes: From day one i saw in Putins mind a giant global chess move to seize Ukraines resources. He could care less about the people. He is fighting a war of the future that none of us want... scramble for food.. And China will buy it. There's some pieces of this jigsaw that we don't know about "A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain " *** “…far from science having buried God, not only do the results of science point towards his existence, but the scientific enterprise itself is validated by his existence.”- Dr.John Lennox “A God without wrath brought men without sin into a Kingdom without judgment through the ministrations of a Christ without a Cross.” “The most difficult subjects can be explained to the most slow-witted man if he has not formed any idea of them already; but the simplest thing cannot be made clear to the most intelligent man if he is firmly persuaded that he knows already, without a shadow of a doubt, what is laid before him.” — Leo Tolstoy, The Kingdom of God is Within You
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Phat Member Posts: 18716 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 4.2 |
tangle writes: From day one i saw in Putins mind a giant global chess move to seize Ukraines resources. He could care less about the people. He is fighting a war of the future that none of us want... scramble for food.. And China will buy it. There's some pieces of this jigsaw that we don't know about "A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain " *** “…far from science having buried God, not only do the results of science point towards his existence, but the scientific enterprise itself is validated by his existence.”- Dr.John Lennox “A God without wrath brought men without sin into a Kingdom without judgment through the ministrations of a Christ without a Cross.” “The most difficult subjects can be explained to the most slow-witted man if he has not formed any idea of them already; but the simplest thing cannot be made clear to the most intelligent man if he is firmly persuaded that he knows already, without a shadow of a doubt, what is laid before him.” — Leo Tolstoy, The Kingdom of God is Within You
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ringo Member (Idle past 736 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Phat writes:
He's fighting a war of the past. He is fighting a war of the future that none of us want... scramble for food.. With today's technology, war requires a lot of resources. Trying to gain resources by war is futile."I call that bold talk for a one-eyed fat man!" -- Lucky Ned Pepper
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Phat Member Posts: 18716 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 4.2 |
The past is the future. Remember the quote about those not remembering the mistakes
Of the past being condemned to repeat history? "A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain " *** “…far from science having buried God, not only do the results of science point towards his existence, but the scientific enterprise itself is validated by his existence.”- Dr.John Lennox “A God without wrath brought men without sin into a Kingdom without judgment through the ministrations of a Christ without a Cross.” “The most difficult subjects can be explained to the most slow-witted man if he has not formed any idea of them already; but the simplest thing cannot be made clear to the most intelligent man if he is firmly persuaded that he knows already, without a shadow of a doubt, what is laid before him.” — Leo Tolstoy, The Kingdom of God is Within You
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ringo Member (Idle past 736 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined:
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Phat writes:
That's what I'm saying: Putin is fighting the wars of the past, when armies foraged as they went, when wooden sailing ships could stop anywhere for frsh water and provisions and for repairs. Remember the quote about those not remembering the mistakesOf the past being condemned to repeat history? Today's armies need a vast infrastructure of logistics. You can't rely on local gas stations to fuel your tanks or local farmers to feed your troops. Gaining anything material through warfare is a thing of the past. Putin might win control of Ukraine but he can never get back the resources he has already squandered."I call that bold talk for a one-eyed fat man!" -- Lucky Ned Pepper
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Percy Member Posts: 23185 From: New Hampshire Joined: Member Rating: 5.7 |
This thread hasn't been active in a while, so I thought I'd post a short note on the status of the war in Ukraine.
Sanctions have not yet brought Russia to its knees, but any minute now. Russian military incompetence has not yet ended the war, but their luck can't hold out much longer. The West continues to ignore the Russian nuclear threat by providing increasing amounts of aid and assistance to Ukraine, but they've got to come to their senses soon. Russia knows that invading a NATO country would mean its end, so the panicked alarms of bordering NATO countries can be ignored. --Percy
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Tangle Member Posts: 9633 From: UK Joined: Member Rating: 5.4 |
Percy writes: Sanctions have not yet brought Russia to its knees, but any minute now. Sanctions take years. Russian military incompetence has not yet ended the war, but their luck can't hold out much longer. Their ineptitude in failing to take the whole country in a few weeks means that this will now go on for many years. The West continues to ignore the Russian nuclear threat by providing increasing amounts of aid and assistance to Ukraine, but they've got to come to their senses soon. No idea what this means, the nuclear threat has always been there and still is.
Russia knows that invading a NATO country would mean its end, so the panicked alarms of bordering NATO countries can be ignored. Ditto above. Meanwhile, Russia is now a pariah, it's economy is being comprehensively trashed and the West is more organised then it ever was. What else were you expecting? Real politic tends be tricky.Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. I am Mancunian. I am Brum. I am London. Olen Suomi Soy Barcelona. I am Ukraine. "Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.
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