Islamic jihad: the genocide in the Sudan

If we consider two parties. Masterminds and terrorists. Masterminds convince terrorists to kill other people, possibly themselves at the same time...but don't often do the killing directly.The Mastermind's tactic goes something like this:Find someone who is already angered at intended target (perhaps the IDF killed their innocent family or perhaps their child was killed by a stray American bomb). Then convince them that these people must be made to pay for what they have done, lest they continue. Justify it by quoting parts of the Qu'ran out of context to suggest that Allah himself wills it. Get the person riled up with righteous anger, promise to pay their still living families a good amount of money, and point them at a target.Voila! Insta-terrorist.The masterminds prey on impressionable young minds using authority and religion and turning that person's pain around to homicidal and suicidal anger. It helps if the future terrorist was already unbalanced/psychotic by the time the Mastermind comes along.In this scenario the reason they never see through this is because they don't want to. Often they are driven by a desire for vengeance, at any cost. Vengeance can make you do stupid things at the best of times. When a bunch of authority figures are positively encouraging you into vengeance and giving you the means to achieve your goal...In short - the answer is probably psychological in nature rather than theological. (religion is being used as a psychological weapon to convince someone to kill innocent people).In the course of writing this post I found an interesting book that I am adding to my wishlist THE MAKING OF A TERRORIST
Recruitment, Training, and Root Causesbut

You missed the point. They see it as a product of the "Christian" West and the lack of submitting to Allah's will under Islam. They define Christianity by what you would consider the "fallen" of Christianity just like you are defining Islam by the same. Then why have I never seen you not once address the issue of the context of the war verses? Nor did I ever see CS do it. Nor buz. Nor randman. What conclusion would have me make when a challange to your position just sits there unanswered? Specific points about the context were not addressed. Two open requests for you to support your claims with concretly. One about the verse you kept harping on and one about the claim that Wahabbis are leading the majority of American mosques. Of course I have a bais. I don't just blindly hate you or something. I fervently disagree with just about everything you say but as far as I am concerned you may just be a nice person outside this forum. Right, I am constantly seeing on the news how most Moslems are NOT killing people. Just like how we hear about how most civilians DON'T commit armed robery. What makes the news is 'Jihad in Sudan', 'Another Roadside Bomb in Iraq', 'New video from {fill in some extremist leader's name}', 'Iran still hates us'.Edited by Jazzns, : No reason given.

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Of course, biblical creationists are committed to belief in God's written Word, the Bible, which forbids bearing false witness; --AIG (lest they forget)

Sure enough. You ought to know this yourself but apparently you have your head in the sand. And to answer your focus on my supposed motives, made up by you ad hominem style, which is against all civilized debate, let me inform you that I happen to dislike Stephen Schwartz a great deal for his anti-Christian views. He is a Muslim himself if it counts to be a practicing Sufi. But he is big on research and should know what he is talking about.

I did not miss the point. I don't care how they see it. They are right about the decadence and wrong about Christianity. So what.

Still waiting for a response to Message 55

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Aslan is not a Tame Lion

I ANSWERED THAT POST, saying it looks convincing and that I have to study it more. I'm not going to dismiss all the reading I've done about such passages on the basis of a snap judgment.

Your opponents' motives are not open to your investigation unless you are God, and your guesses do not belong in the debate, no matter what provocation you think you have.

What about the Koran itself and the context therin? I don't give a crap what some particular current or ex-Muslim says. What makes them the authority? Forget I ever went down that road. I appologize. Admittidly though you were not giving me much in the way of substance to respond to. Constant re-declaration of your position only makes one's mind wonder what would cause someone to do that instead of addressing challanges. I shouldn't have done it. I am sorry. Just like evidence for geology or biology is tossed out like junk by you and others. I know the feeling. But if you ask me to go get you a source to back up something I will. If you ask me to repeat a source I will. Part of the problem is that you have not brought ANYTHING to this thread so far in the way of support. Then when bring up a challange of the context of the war verses, that challange goes unanswered so far. Supporting your position is hard especially in the face of opposition. But I promise I will read your sources. Certainly not but it sure is fishy! Any time someone from the outside of a culture makes blanket statments about how right or wrong that culture is I tend to be more critical because it is often the case that that person is just spouting bullshit.

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Of course, biblical creationists are committed to belief in God's written Word, the Bible, which forbids bearing false witness; --AIG (lest they forget)

What makes YOU the authority or your family members?I will try to do more research later. It takes time. I have a dozen books to go through as well as online sources.

I would just like to say thanks for supporting your position. I did learn something. I learned that there probably IS an effort by Saudi to inject Wahabbism in America. That being said your claim of "most Mosques" is largely refuted by your own source. Their source on this are statements from community leaders of opposing doctrine. While they are not necessarily wrong, the are not basing this on any kind of census or other evidence of Wahabbi control. Their main line of concrete evidence comes from the flow of money toward the financial support and physical ownership of Mosques and Islamic centers across America. Although not officially Wahabbi, they are owned by what we can rightly consider proponents of Wahabbism.Then we get this: So ignoring the unoffician mosques which actually constitute the majority of mosques in the US, half of the remainder have connections to some kind of Wahabbi influence. The speaker uses the word "control" even though previouly he explains that many of the congregation of these Wahabbi mosques are actually not Wahabbi. The issue is ownership of the property.While we shouldn't shrug our shoulders at this attempt to unify American Islam under Wahabbism, the situation is one of outside forces trying to assert influence rather than control from the inside of the unconsolidated variety of Moslems around the US.

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Of course, biblical creationists are committed to belief in God's written Word, the Bible, which forbids bearing false witness; --AIG (lest they forget)

I never claimed that I or my family was the authority. Please quote where I have or retract. My position is and has always been that a literal reading of the war verses objectivly in context gives the true meaning.

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Of course, biblical creationists are committed to belief in God's written Word, the Bible, which forbids bearing false witness; --AIG (lest they forget)

The difference: The Bible's OT violence is authorized for one nation of one period in history to establish one messianic kingdom. The Quranic violence is for all Muslims of all ages to establish a world conquest for Allah/Islam until planet earth is conquered and subjected to Islam.

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BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW

What difference? Both endorse religious conquest one one form or another! Your "difference" is based on nothing more than the switching of synonyms.

Huh?

Like arguing that "sprinting for the bus" and "running for the bus" are two totally different actions.