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Author Topic:   Paul Harvey's take on prayer in public/Xmas (In general, a "freedom of speech" topic)
jar
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Message 39 of 165 (173736)
01-04-2005 11:01 AM
Reply to: Message 36 by CK
01-04-2005 10:40 AM


We are wandering far afield, but...
there really is a significant difference between the concept of Free speech in the US and in other Nations.
In the US Speech in protected by the 1st. Amendment to our Constitution.
Charles Knight writes:
What? You can make monkey noises at players or shout stuff like "go home nigger!"
Yes, you can. And you cannot be arrested or detained or even charged for saying such things.
If, because of what you say disorder breaks out, a fight for example, you can be arrested for the results of such speech. You can be arrested for actions, fighting, disruption, disturbance.
But not for the speech itself.
One of the key points is that it is the very speech you most oppose that must be protected. That is a cornerstone of Freedom.

Aslan is not a Tame Lion

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jar
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Message 44 of 165 (173750)
01-04-2005 11:40 AM
Reply to: Message 42 by Minnemooseus
01-04-2005 11:32 AM


Re: Obnoxious behavior at sporting events
I think it might be within the rights of the management of the sports arena to have the offender removed from the arena.
Certainly. If someone is causing a disruption they can be removed. That is particularly true when it comes to private property. We discussed this recently in regard to the Bush-Monkey painting.
Our Constitution, while a wonderous document, also often creates conflicts between rights. There is the right of Free speech. But that right may be limited to preserve safety of life and limb. Another example is the classic calling out "FIRE" in a crowd when there is no threat.
But beyond removing someone as a source of disruption, there is little recourse under law. You cannot take someone to court for simple speech. Yet you can take someone to court for inciting a riot or conspiring to commit murder.
Speech is protected, actions are not.

Aslan is not a Tame Lion

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jar
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Message 88 of 165 (174207)
01-05-2005 6:59 PM
Reply to: Message 80 by Hangdawg13
01-05-2005 1:18 PM


Re: which principles are uniquely Christian?
Not all communities were founded by people of the same denomination or religion, but within those communities religion meshed in smoothly throughout the society and the public square and no judge would have demanded otherwise.
Except that doesn't reflect reality. Mormons were attacked (and Mormons attacked) and driven from communities, none of the Native American religions were tolerated, and even among nominally Christian States, diversity was excluded. Virginia was Presbyterian, Maryland and Pennsylvania Roman Catholic, New England various Puritan sects. The Friends and Amish we excluded from many legislatures and often driven from their homes and forced to form new communities.
The history of religious tolerance in the US is not some smooth synthesis, rather it is one of conflict and even micro-wars, and of absolute distruction of many faiths. In fact the closest a Jew has come to being head of state in the US was actually in the Confederacy.

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