EvC Forum: Paul Harvey's take on prayer in public/Xmas (In general, a "freedom of speech" topic)

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Asgara

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Message 23 of 165 (173549)
01-03-2005 7:35 PM

Matthew 6

Matthew 6

1Take heed that ye do not your alms before men, to be seen of them: otherwise ye have no reward of your Father which is in heaven.

2Therefore when thou doest thine alms, do not sound a trumpet before thee, as the hypocrites do in the synagogues and in the streets, that they may have glory of men. Verily I say unto you, They have their reward.

3But when thou doest alms, let not thy left hand know what thy right hand doeth:

4That thine alms may be in secret: and thy Father which seeth in secret himself shall reward thee openly.

5And when thou prayest, thou shalt not be as the hypocrites are: for they love to pray standing in the synagogues and in the corners of the streets, that they may be seen of men. Verily I say unto you, They have their reward.

6But thou, when thou prayest, enter into thy closet, and when thou hast shut thy door, pray to thy Father which is in secret; and thy Father which seeth in secret shall reward thee openly.

7But when ye pray, use not vain repetitions, as the heathen do: for they think that they shall be heard for their much speaking.

8Be not ye therefore like unto them: for your Father knoweth what things ye have need of, before ye ask him.

Now who was it that supposedly said all that?? hhmmm

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Asgara

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Message 31 of 165 (173693)
01-04-2005 8:21 AM

Reply to: Message 28 by Silent H
01-04-2005 8:14 AM

Re: Matthew 6

It is right before he tells them HOW to pray, (The Lord's Prayer).

I haven't heard any common rebuttals, that is what I'm waiting for.

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Message 55 of 165 (173855)
01-04-2005 6:40 PM

Reply to: Message 46 by Hangdawg13
01-04-2005 1:40 PM

Re: Matthew 6

Hi HD, thank you for your reply.

Right after this passage is the Lord's Prayer which, yes, uses plural pronouns.

My main reason for posting this passage was the fact that some are arguing the right for public employees or public institutions to either loudly broadcast their prayers in an area not solely devoted to those of their belief system or to (even if unintentionally) use their position of authority to get children to follow their lead in belief.

I found it humorous that those professing a belief in Jesus would argue about being able to pray "in the corners of the streets, that they may be seen of men." It does seem to me and to others of non-belief that it is all vainglorious trappings and not a true show of Xianity.

No one wants you to not have the ability or right to pray as you see fit, or to join with others of similar belief to worship together. The only issue is one of public institutions even appearing to accept one belief system over another. This is what happens when one system of religious laws/beliefs are posted in a large stone statue on public grounds or when a public school official offers public prayers to one system's deity when not everyone in that school follows this system, or when an official allows one religious group to use public facilities while denying it to others.

The rights of the minority over the majority are what this country was founded on. No one is stopping the majority from believing anything they want or from proclaiming this belief in a private capacity. What they do not have the right to do is to force others to accept this belief.

Asgara
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