Paul Harvey's take on prayer in public/Xmas (In general, a "freedom of speech" topic)

buzsaw writes:

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Even many of the slaves who had Christian masters had had a better life here than in the pagan jungle tribe where they often lived in fear and danger.

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Oh, lord...not the "some slaves liked slavery therefore slavery isn't necessarily bad" argument again. I thought riVeRraT was gone.

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Rrhain
WWJD? JWRTFM!

Tal writes:

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Oh, and the UN is completly, utterly, and in all other ways absolutely worthless.

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So the eradication of smallpox from the face of the earth was a "completely, utterly, and in all other ways absolutely worthless" thing?The projected eradication of polio by 2006 is a "completely, utterly, and in all other ways absolutely worthless" thing?Seems you don't know the first thing about what the UN actually does.

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Rrhain
WWJD? JWRTFM!

Tal responds to me...well, no, he doesn't. He just gives a rant.I notice you didn't actually respond to what I said. You don't know what the UN does. You're obsessed with the blue helmets as if military action were the only thing the UN is involved with.You're obsessed with UN graft while completely ignoring US graft of the exact same type on an even larger scale. You do recall that the US was involved in trade violations with Iraq for $17 billion before the Oil for Food program (more than the $10 billion the UN is involved in). Should we do the same to the US that you would have done to the UN?I have never claimed the UN was perfect. I simply said that you do not know what they do. They accomplish things on a global scale precisely because they are a global entity and as such can do things that individual nations cannot. Like coordinate a global response to a disease in an attempt to eradicate it from the planet. Like trying to rid areas of land mines (which the US refuses to assist in). Like working for the rights of women and children.They're not the only game in town, but they're a significant one.

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Rrhain
WWJD? JWRTFM!

Tal writes:

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The MFO is the most successful peacekeeping mission in the middle east to date (modern times). There has not been a shot fired in anger by Egypt or Isreal since at least 82, when the MFO was first established.

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Since Israel and Egypt had signed a formalized peace agreement brokered by President Carter in 1979, it is hardly surprising to find that there hasn't been any armed conflict between them.By the way, as part of that agreement, and I quote from Article IV, Section 1: [emphasis added]Seems the UN was there, too.

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UN in Bonsia = dead people
UN in Kosovo = dead people

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The US was there, too. Are we also responsible for the dead people? We even missed a target and blew up the Chinese.

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UN in Rawanda = dead people

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The US never showed up. What's our responsibility, then?

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Rrhain
WWJD? JWRTFM!