Register | Sign In


Understanding through Discussion


EvC Forum active members: 64 (9164 total)
3 online now:
Newest Member: ChatGPT
Post Volume: Total: 916,890 Year: 4,147/9,624 Month: 1,018/974 Week: 345/286 Day: 1/65 Hour: 1/0


Thread  Details

Email This Thread
Newer Topic | Older Topic
  
Author Topic:   Discrimination against homosexuals carried into the 21st century
Rob 
Suspended Member (Idle past 5877 days)
Posts: 2297
Joined: 06-01-2006


Message 63 of 313 (378233)
01-19-2007 10:40 PM
Reply to: Message 57 by anastasia
01-19-2007 8:58 PM


If it doesn't, it is only more sinful to discriminate or hate.
Well that is the issue huh?...
Taz said he does not believe in sin....
Well then is it sinful for bigots to discriminate against homosexuals?
Is that not wrong and self righteous?
I mean, maybe the bigot is not a homosexual and feel superior morally. But are they any better? do they not lie and steal and hate?
But the homosexuals think they are superior because of their own moral behavior in other areas.
It's pure judgement on both sides.
The problem with the world is not conservatives or liberals or gays or communists or balcks or whites...
the problem with the world is everyone looking for a scapegoat instead of looking in the damn mirror!
Snap out of it!

This message is a reply to:
 Message 57 by anastasia, posted 01-19-2007 8:58 PM anastasia has not replied

Replies to this message:
 Message 64 by anglagard, posted 01-19-2007 10:43 PM Rob has replied

Rob 
Suspended Member (Idle past 5877 days)
Posts: 2297
Joined: 06-01-2006


Message 65 of 313 (378236)
01-19-2007 10:44 PM
Reply to: Message 62 by jar
01-19-2007 10:39 PM


Re: Other folks sin is NOT your business.
Other folks sin is NOT your business.
Then mind your own business and quit telling me it is wrong to say otherwise.

This message is a reply to:
 Message 62 by jar, posted 01-19-2007 10:39 PM jar has replied

Replies to this message:
 Message 69 by jar, posted 01-19-2007 10:58 PM Rob has not replied

Rob 
Suspended Member (Idle past 5877 days)
Posts: 2297
Joined: 06-01-2006


Message 67 of 313 (378238)
01-19-2007 10:45 PM
Reply to: Message 64 by anglagard
01-19-2007 10:43 PM


Re: You Said It
Good advice, do you follow it yourself?
Yes... and that is why I gave my life to Christ. Because I saw myself. How bout you Anglagard. Are you rich or poor?
Do you need forgivness or not?

This message is a reply to:
 Message 64 by anglagard, posted 01-19-2007 10:43 PM anglagard has replied

Replies to this message:
 Message 68 by anglagard, posted 01-19-2007 10:55 PM Rob has replied

Rob 
Suspended Member (Idle past 5877 days)
Posts: 2297
Joined: 06-01-2006


Message 72 of 313 (378244)
01-19-2007 11:14 PM
Reply to: Message 68 by anglagard
01-19-2007 10:55 PM


Re: You Said It
Mirror indeed.
Ok... but there are two sides to a mirror; the image and the real.
You can have the image if you choose.
I'll take the real...

This message is a reply to:
 Message 68 by anglagard, posted 01-19-2007 10:55 PM anglagard has not replied

Replies to this message:
 Message 74 by ringo, posted 01-19-2007 11:24 PM Rob has replied

Rob 
Suspended Member (Idle past 5877 days)
Posts: 2297
Joined: 06-01-2006


Message 73 of 313 (378247)
01-19-2007 11:20 PM


enough for me...
My apologies for any topic violations...

Rob 
Suspended Member (Idle past 5877 days)
Posts: 2297
Joined: 06-01-2006


Message 75 of 313 (378255)
01-19-2007 11:58 PM
Reply to: Message 74 by ringo
01-19-2007 11:24 PM


Re: You Said It
The mirror analogy is getting kinda silly. Exactly what is the image and what is the real?
The real is the you in Christ (truth), the image is the beast without Him. The mirror is the law.
I'll put in in terms of me so as not to offend you or appear selfrighteous. It's not what you think.
The real me is ugly. That's why he gave me the mirror (the law). To see my need for Him to save me.
Probably nothing but fortune cookies to you... but there it is. Ask and ye shall receive.
Edited by Rob, : No reason given.

This message is a reply to:
 Message 74 by ringo, posted 01-19-2007 11:24 PM ringo has not replied

Rob 
Suspended Member (Idle past 5877 days)
Posts: 2297
Joined: 06-01-2006


Message 77 of 313 (378259)
01-20-2007 12:04 AM
Reply to: Message 70 by jar
01-19-2007 10:59 PM


The purposes of individual moral laws...
Proverbs 20:5 The purposes of a man's heart are deep waters, but a man of understanding draws them out.

This message is a reply to:
 Message 70 by jar, posted 01-19-2007 10:59 PM jar has not replied

Replies to this message:
 Message 78 by Taz, posted 01-20-2007 12:08 AM Rob has replied

Rob 
Suspended Member (Idle past 5877 days)
Posts: 2297
Joined: 06-01-2006


Message 79 of 313 (378266)
01-20-2007 12:10 AM
Reply to: Message 76 by kuresu
01-19-2007 11:59 PM


Re: our thoughts must be discriminating.
why can't there be other natural orders?
Because being is dependant upon law. No Gravity = no you. What you see as a fence is the only thing keeping you from floating into space.
Same in the moral realm.
You don't have to believe me, and I cannot convince you. It's just something you come to terms with at the proper time.

This message is a reply to:
 Message 76 by kuresu, posted 01-19-2007 11:59 PM kuresu has replied

Replies to this message:
 Message 80 by kuresu, posted 01-20-2007 12:13 AM Rob has replied

Rob 
Suspended Member (Idle past 5877 days)
Posts: 2297
Joined: 06-01-2006


Message 81 of 313 (378268)
01-20-2007 12:14 AM
Reply to: Message 78 by Taz
01-20-2007 12:08 AM


Re: The purposes of individual moral laws...
Rob, ever considered a career being a forune cookie writer rather than driving trucks?
I actually expected more from you...
Once again, what is written is true.
Mattew 8:22 But Jesus told him, "Follow me, and let the dead bury their own dead."

This message is a reply to:
 Message 78 by Taz, posted 01-20-2007 12:08 AM Taz has replied

Replies to this message:
 Message 83 by Taz, posted 01-20-2007 12:22 AM Rob has not replied

Rob 
Suspended Member (Idle past 5877 days)
Posts: 2297
Joined: 06-01-2006


Message 82 of 313 (378271)
01-20-2007 12:19 AM
Reply to: Message 80 by kuresu
01-20-2007 12:13 AM


Re: our thoughts must be discriminating.
I view purposeful lying as wrong. you view it as a sin. the difference? your religious worldview. You do not need the concept of sin to determine right and wrong.
So a man drinking snakes blood mixed with hard liquor and sexually devastating an 18 month old baby girl is only incorrect in your mind? A mistake?
You don't believe in evil?
Have you ever heard of Auschwitz or Mydanek?
Are you alive Kuresu or as the Nazi's liked to say, are you nothing but 'blood and soil'?
Jesus didn't come to the world to make bad people good. he came into the world to make dead people live. To make those dead to God, alive to Him. Those who will hear the truth.
Edited by Rob, : No reason given.
Edited by Rob, : No reason given.

This message is a reply to:
 Message 80 by kuresu, posted 01-20-2007 12:13 AM kuresu has replied

Replies to this message:
 Message 87 by kuresu, posted 01-20-2007 2:27 AM Rob has replied

Rob 
Suspended Member (Idle past 5877 days)
Posts: 2297
Joined: 06-01-2006


Message 86 of 313 (378279)
01-20-2007 1:21 AM
Reply to: Message 85 by arachnophilia
01-20-2007 12:46 AM


Re: Descrimination...
no, just a misreading. this is not the topic for this thread. perhaps you'd like to carry on elsewhere?
Topic shmopic... it's all the same, you know that. Good game though... I feel alive and humble, and energized, and weak.
High stakes abundant life adventure.
I may not conquer the dragon, but the dragon cannot have me. I am His.

This message is a reply to:
 Message 85 by arachnophilia, posted 01-20-2007 12:46 AM arachnophilia has not replied

Rob 
Suspended Member (Idle past 5877 days)
Posts: 2297
Joined: 06-01-2006


Message 107 of 313 (378449)
01-20-2007 6:52 PM
Reply to: Message 87 by kuresu
01-20-2007 2:27 AM


Re: our thoughts must be discriminating.
and as a personal question, why do you have to have someone constantly reminding you such and such an action is "sinful"? is your moral fiber so weak that you have to have "sin" and the retribution that comes with it?
If there is no eternal Justice (or being) to fear, then there is no reason to expect a Hitler or a Stalin to moderate their position. There is no reason for them to do what is 'right', since right becomes what ever benefits the individual and their desires.
If you want to throw out Justice (sins inevitable counterpart), then you are not giving yourself the foundation with which to rebel against anything.
there's a difference between mistake and wrong. Doing such things are wholeheartedly wrong. and yes, in my mind, what the Nazi's did to twelve million people was pure evil.
Well, you're the one who justifies Nazism (by implication) by agreeing with the social darwinism that Hitler explained quite matter-of-factly in his manifesto, 'Mein Kampf'.
You don't know what you're saying kid...
Edited by Rob, : No reason given.

This message is a reply to:
 Message 87 by kuresu, posted 01-20-2007 2:27 AM kuresu has replied

Replies to this message:
 Message 108 by jar, posted 01-20-2007 7:05 PM Rob has replied
 Message 109 by nator, posted 01-20-2007 7:06 PM Rob has replied
 Message 115 by kuresu, posted 01-21-2007 1:01 AM Rob has replied
 Message 122 by Larni, posted 01-21-2007 7:27 AM Rob has replied

Rob 
Suspended Member (Idle past 5877 days)
Posts: 2297
Joined: 06-01-2006


Message 110 of 313 (378468)
01-20-2007 7:32 PM
Reply to: Message 105 by nator
01-20-2007 5:43 PM


Re: a newer, gentler misogyny
I mean, isn't that exactly what it says?
That is what it 'appears to say' if you are looking for a way to discredit it.
But you're leaving out the context in that chapter of the husbands assumed modeling of God.
It's an ideal Nator. One that would be feasible if we all obeyed. But we also can't wait for others, we must do so ourselves in spite of the failings of others.
I think the point is self sacrifice...
Your original question was:
Females should think of men the way men think of God.
Right?
It doesn't say that you should think of men as God. You don't have to think of men as god. Not even your husband.
You are exhorted to submit to your husband as to the Lord.
You do not have to submit to men in general. but if we love our neighbor as ourselves, then even their we have respect and honor as though a lord in some sense.
We are meant to be gods, and act like gods in a sense of the word. Godliness begets Godliness. That is also a reflection of the trinity.
It's like the passage that exhorts us to work for our employer as though working for God. Because in the greater scope of things, we are.
your keen and clever skeptical questions are only useful if you are seeking the truth of the scriptures. If you only scrutinize them for the sake of discrediting them, then this is a waste of time.
I don't know why you're so angry with men. We, as a gender have certainly been irresponsible, but a little forgiveness for whatever haunts you, might do some good. Especially if you don't believe in morality. You can't hate someone for doing nothing wrong.
But, in the name of frivolity, I am the best time you've ever had huh?
Edited by Rob, : No reason given.

This message is a reply to:
 Message 105 by nator, posted 01-20-2007 5:43 PM nator has replied

Replies to this message:
 Message 138 by nator, posted 01-21-2007 1:06 PM Rob has replied

Rob 
Suspended Member (Idle past 5877 days)
Posts: 2297
Joined: 06-01-2006


Message 111 of 313 (378469)
01-20-2007 7:34 PM
Reply to: Message 108 by jar
01-20-2007 7:05 PM


Re: Not just off topic but also just plain silly.
good bye jar...

This message is a reply to:
 Message 108 by jar, posted 01-20-2007 7:05 PM jar has not replied

Rob 
Suspended Member (Idle past 5877 days)
Posts: 2297
Joined: 06-01-2006


Message 112 of 313 (378471)
01-20-2007 7:39 PM
Reply to: Message 109 by nator
01-20-2007 7:06 PM


Re: our thoughts must be discriminating.
Does the term "social pressure" mean anything to you?
Of course!
That is what society uses to silence the truth...

This message is a reply to:
 Message 109 by nator, posted 01-20-2007 7:06 PM nator has replied

Replies to this message:
 Message 140 by nator, posted 01-21-2007 1:09 PM Rob has replied

Newer Topic | Older Topic
Jump to:


Copyright 2001-2023 by EvC Forum, All Rights Reserved

™ Version 4.2
Innovative software from Qwixotic © 2024