Re: In the beginning car said let there be light and matter and time and space.
Is it illogical to accept the belief that God existed before we did and that He has a definite character that we didn't ascribe to Him?
Any belief can have its own internally consistent logic. Logic in itself is not an indicator of reality.
The problem is that there are so many logically consistent gods, each with his own definite character. You seem to concede that some of them are made up. I'm just wondering why you think one is different.
Sure, there could be one real god and a whole passle of made-up ones - but how do you know yours is the real one?
It's true that one's eyes have to be open to the truth. Yours, unfortunately, are not - as witnessed by the utterly ridiculous contortions that you go through to try to explain the creation and the flood. You mangle the Bible to "prove" it's true and you make a laughingstock of believers in the process.
IF God is no respector of persons, why is it that He only opens SOME eyes to "the truth"?
"Seek and ye shall find." If you actively avoid the truth, even the God of the Bible won't prop your eyes open with toothpicks. Ignoring real evidence in favour of Bible stories is avoidance if anything ever was.
Imagine that you one day became aware of a certain car. By definition, it eased your anxiety, confirmed your desire, and was capable of getting you to where you wanted to go. Without seeing a picture of it and without another description of it, could you say you made it up (imagined it) or could it be possible that you simply became aware of it?
Unless I could actually get into it and drive it, it's pretty obvious that it's just made up.
Re: The apologists defense of the literalist faith
OK, going with your analogy... let's examine 3 models. The first model is who the Jews perceived around the time of Jesus birth and also around the time Saul of Tarsus was afoot. The second model was the one whom Jesus called Father. The third model was the one that allegedly knocked Saul off his high horse and spurned him into becoming Paul and starting a new religion. One could argue that a real God existed amongst these contenders...
You're not really talking about three different models. You're talking about three Toyota Corollas in slightly different shades of blue.
People these days place their hope in science and technology to alleviate suffering.
And it works.
God forbid we have a polytheistic universe. I prefer a monotheistic reality.
A committee of Gods would more likely turn down my requests.
And your requests ARE turned down, so the committee seems more likely - or no God at all.
If I simply waited for God to reveal His name to me, I would never get an opportunity to begin to get to know Him.
You don't know Him.
My point is that you have concluded that God likely isn't here. I have concluded that He likely is. Is either position any worse than the other?
Subsitute "leprechauns" for "God" and answer the question yourself.