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frako
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Message 294 of 750 (826835)
01-11-2018 10:37 AM


Given the way the Winchester gospels are going (tv show supernatural), it seems we finally get to find out who made god and his sister, the nothing creature thingy that sent castiell back from nothing.

and we know the Winchester gospels are the word of god because god himself wrote them, and we know that from the Winchester gospels so its bassicaly just like the bible.


Christianity, One woman's lie about an affair that got seriously out of hand

What are the Christians gonna do to me ..... Forgive me, good luck with that.


    
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Message 328 of 750 (826923)
01-14-2018 1:01 PM
Reply to: Message 326 by Thugpreacha
01-14-2018 11:56 AM


Re: Eternal power (energy)
Humans can logically deduce that everything has to come from somewhere.

So where do virtual particles come from?


Christianity, One woman's lie about an affair that got seriously out of hand

What are the Christians gonna do to me ..... Forgive me, good luck with that.


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Message 332 of 750 (826927)
01-14-2018 2:24 PM
Reply to: Message 329 by Thugpreacha
01-14-2018 1:22 PM


Re: Eternal power (energy)
If you put 2 neutraly charged strips in a vacuum too close to gether to have space to form a virtual particle between them, the pressure from the vrirtual particles forming and coliding with the strands will push the strands together. On the quantum scale virtual particles are constantly poping in and out of existence, one positive one negative, and in the next moment they collide and cease to exists.

Also hawking radiation, where virtual particles become relal particles, a pair of virtual particles form near the event horizon of a black hole, one gets sucked in the other escapes as hawking radiation.

So if the law of conservation of energy can be bent on a whim at the quantum scale why do you think they couldn't be bent at the creation of the universe. Especially since it seams that the net energy of our universe is 0.

But im no expert on quantum mechanics, i dislike the math but love the experiments and theories so i could be wrong. But it seams that something can come from nothing as long as a negative something comes in to existence too.

Edited by frako, : No reason given.


Christianity, One woman's lie about an affair that got seriously out of hand

What are the Christians gonna do to me ..... Forgive me, good luck with that.


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Message 340 of 750 (826952)
01-15-2018 4:58 AM
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01-15-2018 1:42 AM


Re: Eternal power (energy)
Is there a vacuum outside the universe where this process could occur?

A perfect one not even space and time "inside it"


Christianity, One woman's lie about an affair that got seriously out of hand

What are the Christians gonna do to me ..... Forgive me, good luck with that.


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frako
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Message 343 of 750 (826969)
01-15-2018 10:15 AM
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01-15-2018 9:57 AM


Re: Eternal power (energy)
broken link for me

Christianity, One woman's lie about an affair that got seriously out of hand

What are the Christians gonna do to me ..... Forgive me, good luck with that.


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frako
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Message 345 of 750 (826975)
01-15-2018 11:06 AM
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01-15-2018 10:43 AM


Re: Eternal power (energy)
Im more of a believer in extra dimensions as posited by string, superstring or m or brain theory. Our universe is just one expanding 3D bouble in a 10 D, or more dimensional multiverse. So i have no problems whit our universe expanding.

But its not like we can prove this whitout taking a peek at those extra dimensions, But some observations about gravity suggest there might be other universes pulling on us, and there is also some evidence that our universe might have at one time collided with another.

As for how our universe got to be, its just a quantum fluctuation in higher dimensions. Like a virtual particle it just came to existence because there was a chance it could.


Christianity, One woman's lie about an affair that got seriously out of hand

What are the Christians gonna do to me ..... Forgive me, good luck with that.


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Message 348 of 750 (827080)
01-17-2018 3:20 AM
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01-17-2018 12:34 AM


Re: Eternal power (energy)
You do know what a vacuum is dont you?

Christianity, One woman's lie about an affair that got seriously out of hand

What are the Christians gonna do to me ..... Forgive me, good luck with that.


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frako
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Message 350 of 750 (827088)
01-17-2018 8:30 AM
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01-17-2018 8:10 AM


Re: Eternal power (energy)
LOL im Slovenian, the country where Americas first lady comes from Yea im sorry about her we all are.

Thing is the definition space devoid of matter might be outdated, since the term comes from a time where we thought of space more as a theatre stage, not this stretchy bendy thing we know it to be now. Would a vacuum that also lacks space be a vacuum.

Edited by frako, : No reason given.


Christianity, One woman's lie about an affair that got seriously out of hand

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frako
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Message 356 of 750 (827149)
01-18-2018 11:12 AM
Reply to: Message 355 by ICANT
01-18-2018 10:44 AM


Re: Eternal power (energy)
TIf you are talking about a vacuum as Physics you would be referring to space void of matter, or a place where the pressure is so low that any particles in the space do not affect any processes being caried on there.
That rules out any particle appearing and causing the universe to exist.

No it does not. since virtual particles love poping in to exsistance in vacuums.
And they dont need any cause to do so there is just a chance that they might and so they do.

everything on the quantum scale works on a wave of probability or chance, and untill you actually take a look at what is happening thats all anything is on such a small scale a wawe of chance or probability. Its only when you look that particles and everything else become real.

If you shoot atoms trough 2 slits, untill you actually look trough witch hole the atom went the atom was only a wave of probability and went trough both holes then the wawe colides with itself and forms an interference pattern of collisions with the detector behind the slits. But if you check trough what hole the atoms goe they go trough just one hole and form a 2 stripe pattern on the detector.

In essence i think the universe came to be because there was a chance it could or a probability it could form. No cause or causer needed. Even no laws of physic need not be broken as long as the net energy of the universe or universes poping in to exsistence is 0. Or in math terms +1-1+2-2+3-3=0 But that does not mean the numbers being added up dont exsist.


Christianity, One woman's lie about an affair that got seriously out of hand

What are the Christians gonna do to me ..... Forgive me, good luck with that.


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