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Author Topic:   Jihadists must die, --- but our real enemies are the Qur’an and Bible.
Greatest I am
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Message 142 of 375 (759217)
06-09-2015 7:54 PM
Reply to: Message 140 by Faith
06-09-2015 7:39 PM


Re: respect vs tolerance
Faith
Your Jesus says that anyone who believes in him can do what he did and more.
What are believers waiting for to save the 10 million or so children under 10 years of age that will die of preventable cause in the next year?
It seems that either Christians are lying, or the bible quoting Jesus is lying, or Christians just do not have the moral conscience to act.
Which is it in your case?
Regards
DL

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Message 144 of 375 (759219)
06-09-2015 7:59 PM
Reply to: Message 143 by jar
06-09-2015 7:55 PM


Re: respect vs tolerance
Jar
You keep saying that education is the key while ignoring the fact that the Qur'an is what Muslims use to teach and educate.
Whose the fool?
Regards
DL

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Message 150 of 375 (759279)
06-10-2015 12:59 PM
Reply to: Message 145 by jar
06-09-2015 8:19 PM


Re: respect vs tolerance
Jar
"It does not mean to spread Islam or to attack others (a practice specifically prohibited in the Qur'an"
Your meaning and the meaning jihadists use is obviously quite different.
Regards
DL

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Message 151 of 375 (759280)
06-10-2015 1:03 PM
Reply to: Message 146 by Phat
06-10-2015 3:17 AM


Re: "But the second stone, up for grabs."
Phat
Jesus does not mention God. But he is supposed to be God. Right?
Should their witness not then be the same at all times?
But you might have a point. I will think on it but this one seems to contradict the other I set below.
John 8;14 Jesus answered and said unto them, Though I bear record of myself, yet my record is true:
Do you see a contradiction and can you explain it?
Regards
DL
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Message 152 of 375 (759282)
06-10-2015 1:18 PM
Reply to: Message 149 by MrHambre
06-10-2015 9:11 AM


Re: respect vs tolerance
MrHambre
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T64_El2s7FU
The root cause that pushes us to create religions and Gods are well known. It is basically to appease our tribal natures and give ourselves the pleasures and security of appeasing our tribal and hivish natures.
We are also pushed by what Freud calls his Father Complex but that is at our individual levels and instincts.
Some religions use the supernatural to rally round while others do not.
When too much supernatural elements are introduced and people have to suspend logic and reason to actually swallow the supernatural aspects, those delusional beliefs form what science is calling psychosis.
The religious who have gone into intellectual and moral dissonance due to supernatural belief will just have to learn to live with the fact that science considers them psychotic.
If you do not like that term, what would you call it?
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DL

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Message 154 of 375 (759292)
06-10-2015 2:58 PM
Reply to: Message 153 by Faith
06-10-2015 1:39 PM


Re: "But the second stone, up for grabs."
Faith
Which group of believers are you talking about?
Christianity has split itself and the meaning of the bible into so many cults and sects it is hard to keep track.
Seems that anyone who can buy a cross can create their own version of Christianity.
Which one are you calling believers and are all the others full of non-believers just acting like believers?
Regards
DL

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Message 158 of 375 (759305)
06-10-2015 3:50 PM
Reply to: Message 157 by ringo
06-10-2015 3:25 PM


Re: The End of the End of Faith
Ringo
I did not mean stupid although I agree with what you said.
Brain dead is what I used and we tend not to try to keep those around too long.
Regards
DL

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Message 159 of 375 (759307)
06-10-2015 3:58 PM
Reply to: Message 156 by jar
06-10-2015 3:22 PM


Re: respect vs tolerance
Jar
You are into definitions and I am into dialog.
We agree that education is quite important.
I noted above that you speak about your constitution.
You have learned quite a bit from it as you analyse what it says. Right?
You might remember that to a Muslim, his Qur'an is his constitution and even a small change in either his or yours would or could make quite the difference.
Thus I refute your notion that changing the Qur'an would not produce fewer jihadist.
Just like changing your right to bear arms would likely produce fewer school shootings.
There is not a lot of proof out there but to do nothing and expect change etc.
Regards
DL

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Message 161 of 375 (759312)
06-10-2015 4:02 PM
Reply to: Message 155 by Faith
06-10-2015 3:15 PM


Re: "But the second stone, up for grabs."
Faith
Have you ever seen two different denominations, one pro gay and one anti gay go at each other with the exact same bible?
It seem that even you insiders have a hard time defining things to each other so how you expect to define the differences to others is quite the mystery.
Regards
DL

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Message 163 of 375 (759317)
06-10-2015 4:06 PM
Reply to: Message 160 by ringo
06-10-2015 4:01 PM


Re: The End of the End of Faith
Ringo
You forgot the bit about taking away what is causing them. Their present version of the Qur'an.
That book has been revised before and it can happen again.
Regards
DL

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Message 166 of 375 (759323)
06-10-2015 4:10 PM
Reply to: Message 162 by jar
06-10-2015 4:05 PM


Re: respect vs tolerance
Jar
You must be a short guy. Things just go over your head.
List the number of Muslims who do not follow, in the most part, Sharia law.
Yes. I recognize that more are voting secular but in most countries it is a fragile secularism.
Regards
DL

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Message 167 of 375 (759326)
06-10-2015 4:13 PM
Reply to: Message 165 by ringo
06-10-2015 4:08 PM


Re: The End of the End of Faith
Ringo
Not mine but the revisions proposed by their own less fundamental adherents. They are supposed to be the vast majority. Or so the rumors say.
Let the peace loving Muslims put their money where their mouths are.
Regards
DL

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Message 170 of 375 (759331)
06-10-2015 4:20 PM
Reply to: Message 164 by Faith
06-10-2015 4:08 PM


Re: "But the second stone, up for grabs."
Faith
Keep on target dear.
We were not arguing about gays. We were discussing how even Christians cannot agree on the same biblical interpretation of the same words.
But as to gays. Strange that your religion that preaches love above all else, is putting sexual preference above all else.
Further.
WHEN SAME-SEX MARRIAGE WAS A CHRISTIAN RITE1
And further still.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5KLzODXFyPs
Have you noted just how many of your fellow Christians abort instead of keeping their --- mistakes?
Regards
DL

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Message 171 of 375 (759333)
06-10-2015 4:27 PM
Reply to: Message 168 by jar
06-10-2015 4:18 PM


Re: respect vs tolerance
Canada does not have Sharia but we have our share of Honor killings like most countries who do not have Sharia law.
"Whether or not a Muslim follows Sharia law has nothing to do with anyone who is not a Muslim"
It does to all members of the human race.
Unless of course you enjoy watching gays or fornicators get stoned to death or the fact that a woman in Saudi Arabia cannot go out without a male escort.
Regards
DL

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Message 173 of 375 (759335)
06-10-2015 4:29 PM
Reply to: Message 169 by ringo
06-10-2015 4:19 PM


Re: The End of the End of Faith
Ringo
In your sick two party system, who else is there to do it?
Or vice versa as required?
Regards
DL

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