Jesus and his sacrifice is Satan’s test of man’s morality.

I'm not insisting on anything. I'm pointing out how you could hone your argument.

Hone my argument? Against GIA who thinks Jesus was made a sacrifice against His will? The point that He chose to lay down His life ought to be sufficient to answer that without whatever point you are trying to make, which simply eludes me and makes me sleepy.

In the interest of not letting discussion bog down unnecessarily, this information comes from Google:

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lay down one's life
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1. sacrifice one's life for a cause.
   "he laid down his life for his country"

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For the sake of letting discussion proceed on the main topic, let us accept this definition in this thread.

Which one of you is the parakeet and which is the image in the mirror?

Excuse me? You aren't making any sense.

Where do you get this from? What I mean by that is where does it say that if you do not accept that Jesus died for our sins means that you are going to Hell? From a logical standpoint, if Jesus in fact did die for our sins it does not make sense that unbelief in that act would condemn a person to hell - assuming you are saying unbelief is sin and that any sin puts a person in Hell. If unbelief is sin, is that sin not also not accounted for by the sacrifice of Jesus?

Sorry I didn't see this until now. The idea is that we are all ALREADY condemned to Hell because of our sins, but salvation is possible through Christ if we accept it. If we don't, we are still condemned to Hell.These are the most direct quotes I could locate: However, if you know the gospel and refuse it you are in a worse position than someone who never heard it; at least if you accepted it and lived it before giving it up: Edited by Faith, : No reason given.Edited by Faith, : No reason given.Edited by Faith, : No reason given.

Yep, the most heinous scam ever perpetrated. 'You're going to hell unless you join my global pyramid scheme'.Empires were built on that single, revolting lie.

I'm saying that you might as well be arguing about how many angels can dance on the head of a pin. GIA is correct that the theology is nonsense and you are correct that his interpretation of it is nonsense.

Scripture is very clear on this, as Faith has shown. This is a good question. If Jesus died to pay for all of our sins, didn't He also pay for the sin of unbelief? This can be explained in a few different ways, and there are some slight variations among the various branches of Christendom. But most Evangelicals would agree with the following:Jesus' sacrifice on the cross is sufficient to pay for all of the sins of everyone who ever has or ever will live. But it is effective in paying for the sins of only those who believe in Him. The penalty for all of our sins has already been paid, but this payment is only credited to the sinner's account if he believes in Jesus. If someone dies without faith in Christ, he dies "in his sins", and ends up paying the penalty of his own sins in hell.Edited by kbertsche, : No reason given.Edited by kbertsche, : No reason given.

You have to cash the cheque.

Essentially, yes. The more common biblical descriptions of this "cashing the check" metaphor are believing, receiving, accepting, submitting, repenting.

FaithJesus was hardly sinless.Luke 2:52 And Jesus increased in wisdom and stature, and in favour with God and man.Hebrews 5:8
Though he were a Son, yet learned he obedience by the things which he suffered;Jesus Christ is the same yesterday, today, and forever. ( Hebrews 13:8 )Note how the last two contradict each other.Bottom line is that if Jesus can die or learn anything new, he cannot be God.Regards
DL

kbertscheI guess that someone did some thinking and recognized that only a really stupid shepherd would die for a sheep and abandon the rest of the herd to the wolves.Regards
DL

FaithNot if one knows that the laying down of ones life is a sham and lie ands that it can be picked up again.Regards
DL