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Author Topic:   Believe in UFOs? This editorial's for you!
Faith
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Message 91 of 139 (864569)
10-13-2019 12:38 AM
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10-13-2019 12:28 AM


Re: Throwing Chunks
I ws talking about what was in that film hyro posted. Nobody there interpreted the objects, just described them. No aliens etc. And I only bring up the demons interpretation as an answer to the ET interpretation. Probably others are now calling them aliens but in the film, no.

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AZPaul3
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Message 92 of 139 (864570)
10-13-2019 12:44 AM
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10-13-2019 12:38 AM


Re: Throwing Chunks
I was talking about the effect that video and the USAF announcement is having on the greater society. There is more than just this room you know, yes?

Eschew obfuscation. Habituate elucidation.

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Faith
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Message 93 of 139 (864575)
10-13-2019 7:32 AM
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10-13-2019 12:44 AM


Re: Throwing Chunks
OK.
But wait and see if there is some kind of event such a government revelation might portend, where we are "introduced" to some spaceship and its inhabitants, who are supposedly here to solve all our problems, like maybe climate change, even war perhaps? Maybe we'll be told they are the creators, or planters perhaps, of life on earth too and have come back to see what became of us. So we actually see this "spaceship" on TV and -- "greys" or whatever they are -- then what?

I know you think it's too bizarre and won't happen but I do wonder what you would think if it did.

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Faith
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Message 94 of 139 (864576)
10-13-2019 7:50 AM
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10-12-2019 7:22 PM


gods and demons
I also mentioned that demons are the gods found all over the world after the Fall. Like those described in the OT I mention above.

Scripture references, please.
("after the Fall")

There isn't any direct statement that I know of, especially identifying the Fall as the specific pivotal point, but there are passages where we see that Satan and his demons are in charge of the world and you have to infer that this wasn't the way the world was originally created so they had to have taken over afterward. Since it was Satan who seduced our original parents the inference is that he earned the right to rule us at that point.

There are two references in John to Satan as "the prince of this world." This is one of them:

Hereafter I will not talk much with you: for the prince of this world cometh, and hath nothing in me.
John 14:30

That is on 'this page
and there is more discussion of these references there.

Also, Paul says

1Co 10:20
But I say, that the things which the Gentiles sacrifice, they sacrifice to devils, and not to God: and I would not that ye should have fellowship with devils.

Well, sacrifice is something people do to "gods," right? So somehow or other the devils or demons became the gods.


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AZPaul3
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Message 95 of 139 (864582)
10-13-2019 9:03 AM
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10-13-2019 7:32 AM


Re: Throwing Chunks
then what?

That would be wonderful!

Watch the religious crazies and the cosmologists, the politcos and the alt-reich go nuts. We would have a dozen new dedicated "Aliens are here" channels on TV and YouTube. Imagine the discussions on this and the other forums!

It's not going to happen is it. You're just teasing me.


Eschew obfuscation. Habituate elucidation.

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Thugpreacha
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Message 96 of 139 (864583)
10-13-2019 9:15 AM
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10-13-2019 9:03 AM


Re: Throwing Chunks
Oh it *could* theoretically happen. She is suggesting that in reality it really would be a demonic manifestation of sorts and that the world wouldn't believe it. The world would think as you suggest...that it would seemingly be wonderful to have contact with a higher "life form" that is objectively proven. Not that pesky God and those equally pesky angelic wars of mythos past.

Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. ~RC Sproul
"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain "
~"If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith

You can "get answers" by watching the ducks. That doesn't mean the answers are coming from them.~Ringo

“As the fear of God is the beginning of wisdom, so the denial of God is the height of foolishness.”
? R.C. Sproul, Essential Truths of the Christian Faith


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AZPaul3
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Message 97 of 139 (864587)
10-13-2019 10:15 AM
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10-13-2019 9:15 AM


Re: Throwing Chunks
Oh it *could* theoretically happen.

That's only if one accepts such a loosey-goosey definition of theoretically.

In reality our theories tell us it won't happen (subject to change).

... demonic manifestation ...

Sorry, Thug. I know you guys are serious and I shouldn't laugh, but this is just so freakin' hilarious.


Eschew obfuscation. Habituate elucidation.

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GDR
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Message 98 of 139 (864596)
10-13-2019 10:56 AM


The enemy
As Pogo would say: "We have met the enemy and he is us"

He has told you, O man, what is good ; And what does the LORD require of you But to do justice, to love kindness, And to walk humbly with your God.

Micah 6:8


  
LamarkNewAge
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Message 99 of 139 (864614)
10-13-2019 4:03 PM


Flying Saucer Review vs. Dr. Stanton Friedman (exotic UFO material alert!)
Stanton Friedman was big on the "nuts and bolts" view of UFOs: they were from OUR dimension and were aliens.

The larger UFO researching community took the inner dimensional hypothesis view.

There was a joke, from Timothy "Mr. UFO" Beckley, that the evidence shows that these entities are doing acts that violate the laws of physics, but a few "nuts and bolts" are thrown in to make Stanton Friedman "happy".

More on the possible nuts and bolts breakthrough:

quote:
HUMANS

Alien Research Group Started by Blink-182 Singer Says It's Found 'Exotic UFO Material'

VICTOR TANGERMANN, FUTURISM

28 SEP 2019

Former Blink-182 singer Tom DeLonge has pulled off an astonishing career change. In 2017, after quitting the band, he co-founded a group called To the Stars Academy of Arts & Sciences, an organization committed to researching aliens.

And he apparently now has something to show for it. In a recent Q&A with The New York Times, a reporter asked whether the group had obtained "exotic material samples from UFOs."

The spokesperson's response: "certainly."

It's still unclear what precise materials the Academy has gotten its hands on, and whether they relate in any way to the three videos it obtained of "unidentified aerial phenomena" that a spokesperson for the Navy recently revealed to be legitimate.

"What we have been doing is trying to find the most qualified individuals at the most respectable institutions to conduct scientific analysis," Luis Elizondo, the director of global security and special programs for DeLonge's group, told the Times.

"That scientific analysis includes physical analysis, it includes molecular and chemical analysis and ultimately it includes nuclear analysis."

And it might be a while until we learn more about the group's activities.

As Elizondo puts it, "the last thing we want to do is jump to any conclusions, prematurely. Ultimately, the data is going to decide what something is or what something isn't."

This article was originally published by Futurism. Read the original article.

https://www.sciencealert.com/...aims-to-have-alien-artefacts


Glad there is a way to begin to scientifically test actual material.

Just a start, which could very well be more of a non-starter.

Hope the story gets more detailed and soon. Or will it vanish without mercy?

FURTHER COMMENTS:

I have noticed that most stories just lift stuff from others.

Here is part of a related article that has some different info.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/...rt-definitive-conclusion.html

I am starting a way after the article started, skipping stuff from the middle, and stopping a good way before the end.

quote:
Last week, a spokesperson for To The Stars told the New York Times its newest discovery is 'exotic material samples from UFOs,' declining to comment further.

DeLonge himself has posted photos of the flat stony objects on his Instagram page along with comments from himself and a To The Stars Academy official.

'The structure and composition of these materials are not from any known existing military or commercial application,' Steve Justice, former head of Advanced Systems at Lockheed Martin's 'Skunk Works' who now leads To the Stars' Technology and Aerospace team, said of the find, according to DeLong.

'We currently have multiple material samples being analyzed by contracted laboratories and have plans to extend the scope of this study,' he added.

DeLonge first announced the Academy's discovery in a July 25 Instagram post, telling his followers they believe the material came from an 'Unidentified Aerial Vehicle.'

'We have been able to establish that the material shows highly advanced anomalous engineering capabilities,' the singer wrote. 'This acquisition will allow us to expand the scope of our ADAM Research Project and accelerate R&D that could lead to numerous aerospace and engineering breakthroughs.'

At least some of the material obtained by To The Stars, 'shows distortion and damage that appears to be caused by exposure to very high temperatures, but did not burn,' according to Justice.

'We have some very strategic plans to help turn the science of these pieces into advanced capabilities,' the researcher was quoted saying in another of DeLong'es recent IG posts.

'Wave Guides, mass reduction, all new meta-materials, and many more potentials are within view of new studies, some of which are already happening, and more studies we are planning.'

....

So far neither the U.S. military has commented on To The Stars' latest findings.

NASA did not immediately respond to DailyMail.com's request for comment Monday night.

Last month, the United States Navy confirmed that spectacular footage released in 2017 that appears to show 'unexplained aerial phenomena' is authentic, but that the footage was never meant to be made public.

The clips were first published by The New York Times in December of that year and were recorded by Department of Defense officials on two separate occasions.

One clip was recorded near San Diego, California back in 2004, while a second video was captured off the coast of Jacksonville, Florida in 2015.

Several months after those videos were published, To The Stars Academy released an additional video from the 2015 incident, which features a navy pilot remarking: 'What the f**k is that thing?'

The Navy last month confirmed the authenticity of the videos for the first time.


That was some text from an original article from October 5, 2019.

Daily Mail introduces us to Steve Justice.

He is the guy who seems to be sending samples to labs for testing.

Other stories say there are non-disclosure agreements which prevent us from getting any details on just where and how these artifacts were found. But there was a live UFO incident going on in at least one (or more) case.

Does this story have legs?

Edited by LamarkNewAge, : No reason given.


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Faith
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Message 100 of 139 (864625)
10-13-2019 5:10 PM
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10-13-2019 9:03 AM


Re: Throwing Chunks
It's not going to happen is it. You're just teasing me.

Life has become very weird in recent times so I don't know what to believe about such things. I forget where I first heard this scenario, it wasn't recent. Oh this guy, Christian guy, haven't listened to him in a long time, wonder if he's still out there, gets into really fringey stuff, can't remember his name either. I remember he lives in Florida and was visited by a voodoo demon one night that acted like a living skeleton and got in bed with him. Interesting stuff huh? You miss so much fascinating drama if you aren't a Christian. I think if I tease about something I'm pretty flatfooted about it so you'd know it.

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AZPaul3
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Message 101 of 139 (864627)
10-13-2019 5:55 PM
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10-13-2019 5:10 PM


Re: Throwing Chunks
Oh this guy, Christian guy...

Not a good start.

gets into really fringey stuff

That's kinda redundant.

he lives in Florida

Well, that does it. He's toast.

was visited by a voodoo demon one night that acted like a living skeleton and got in bed with him

But, of course he was.

Interesting stuff huh?

For halloween, yeah.

You miss so much fascinating drama if you aren't a Christian

Not fascinating drama. I believe it's called psychotic delusion. There are drugs for this.


Eschew obfuscation. Habituate elucidation.

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Faith
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Message 102 of 139 (864628)
10-13-2019 6:12 PM
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10-13-2019 5:55 PM


Re: Throwing Chunks
You must not have been around many psychotic delusionals.

Oh well.

There are many versions of demonic manifestations. The apparitions of "The Virgin Mary" that have been seen by Catholics, mostly children, over the years, are such demonic manifestations.

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Message 103 of 139 (864629)
10-13-2019 6:36 PM
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10-13-2019 6:12 PM


Re: Throwing Chunks
Sorry, M'lady, but demonic manifestations are as much bs as gods.

You must not have been around many psychotic delusionals.

I have religious nutsoids in my family. I know psychotic delusions when I read them. Voodoo skeletons, apparitions of Mary, visions of Jesus, belief in gods, unicorns, alien anal probes, bigfootses and competent republicans are all psychotic delusions.

Seek immediate medical help. There are modern drugs and limited lobotomies that can help. You can be saved from the ravages of religion.


Eschew obfuscation. Habituate elucidation.

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Faith
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Message 104 of 139 (864630)
10-13-2019 6:40 PM
Reply to: Message 99 by LamarkNewAge
10-13-2019 4:03 PM


Re: Flying Saucer Review vs. Dr. Stanton Friedman (exotic UFO material alert!)
Hey LNA,
I read over your posts but they are too much, I just can't figure out what to respond to. After all your writing I don't even know for sure if you believe in UFOs or what you believe about them.

Could I ask you a favor? Could you write a brief abstract of your posts and put it at the top, or bottom as you prefer, condensing the main points in it? I know you can do it because I asked it of you once before and you surprised me with a nicely done condensation.

We all have our posting styles, it's like it's in our DNA or something, you can often tell from a distance who wrote what, but some of you guys who lard it on need to help us out here.


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Faith
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Message 105 of 139 (864631)
10-13-2019 6:43 PM
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10-13-2019 6:36 PM


Re: Throwing Chunks
Demonic manifestations ARE gods. Or what the gods are. Not the real God but the gods.

Edited by Faith, : No reason given.


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