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Author Topic:   Any practical use for Universal Common Ancestor?
Dredge
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Message 1336 of 1371 (859237)
07-30-2019 1:53 AM
Reply to: Message 1333 by Taq
07-23-2019 6:44 PM


Taq writes:

The fossil record is used to construct phylogenies which are then used to detect mutations involved in disease.


An example, please.

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AZPaul3
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Message 1337 of 1371 (859239)
07-30-2019 3:50 AM
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07-30-2019 1:51 AM


Re: It tells us who we are.
All you gave me was some irrelevant rhetoric, not a practical use.

What irrelevant rhetoric? How so? Specifics. How is that answer irrelevant?

And how could it have been of no practical use when its use was built right into the answer?

More of your reading comprehension problems.

God could have created life via a process of Darwinian evolution.

Your god could have done no such thing since Darwinian evolution has nothing to do with creating life.

Then again your god could have grown a propeller on his nose and flew around the room like Eleanor Roosevelt except being non-existent he couldn’t accomplish that either.

But Mother Nature (what a woman!) could and did do all the above. She created life from star dust. She created evolution to animate the planet with it. And she created Eleanor Roosevelt with her well known tendency to fly.

With nothing but natural processes - such a useful Mother Nature. With all the majik in the universe - such a useless god.


Eschew obfuscation. Habituate elucidation.

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Sarah Bellum
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Message 1338 of 1371 (859246)
07-30-2019 8:25 AM
Reply to: Message 1307 by Dredge
07-15-2019 2:59 AM


Your last post was a bit confused. You're willing to say that living creatures evolved. You're fine with the, "known biological mechanisms" of evolution that you concede have a lot of practical uses. You even agree that birds evolved from dinosaurs. Is your problem with the, "practical use in applied science for the Darwinian interpretation of the history of life on earth" a dislike for the fact that birds evolved from dinosaurs because you can't make a quick buck off the fact that birds evolved from dinosaurs?

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RAZD
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Message 1339 of 1371 (859256)
07-30-2019 9:53 AM
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07-30-2019 1:51 AM


Re: It tells us who we are.
I didn't miss it. All you gave me was some irrelevant rhetoric, not a practical use. Try again.

Ignoring the information by calling it "irrelevant rhetoric" shows you missed it.

God could have created life via a process of Darwinian evolution. ...

Except the "process(es) of Darwinian evolution" don't create life, they just modify what is there.

... What does that tell us about "who we are"?

See if you can figure that out here ... you have the relevant information. Call it an exercise in education.

Enjoy


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Dredge
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Message 1340 of 1371 (859597)
08-01-2019 9:53 PM
Reply to: Message 1333 by Taq
07-23-2019 6:44 PM


Taq writes:

The fossil record is used to construct phylogenies which are then used to detect mutations involved in disease.
This is a direct application of evolution in applied science.


I asked you for an example of this (#1336) but, unsurprisingly, none was provided. It looks suspiciously like your claim is a result of some sort of delusion.

Edited by Dredge, : No reason given.


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Dredge
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Message 1341 of 1371 (859780)
08-03-2019 12:09 AM
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07-30-2019 9:53 AM


Re: It tells us who we are.
Be specific - give me a specific example of how the neo-Darwinian explanation for the history of life on earth has provided a practical use in applied science.

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AZPaul3
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Message 1342 of 1371 (859783)
08-03-2019 12:35 AM
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08-01-2019 9:53 PM


Let us assume that your fantasy is actually true and that no one has or will provide you with what you would consider an adequate answer to your goalpost-shifting question. What does that mean to you? What significance does it hold in the grand debate?

Eschew obfuscation. Habituate elucidation.

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Dredge
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Message 1343 of 1371 (860001)
08-05-2019 3:32 AM
Reply to: Message 1337 by AZPaul3
07-30-2019 3:50 AM


Re: It tells us who we are.
AZPaul3 writes:

But Mother Nature (what a woman!) could and did do all the above. She created life from star dust. She created evolution to animate the planet with it. And she created Eleanor Roosevelt with her well known tendency to fly.
With nothing but natural processes - such a useful Mother Nature. With all the majik in the universe


… otherwise known as science-fiction and superstition.

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Dredge
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Message 1344 of 1371 (860002)
08-05-2019 3:37 AM
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07-30-2019 8:25 AM


Sarah Bellum writes:

You even agree that birds evolved from dinosaurs


I don’t recall agreeing that birds evolved from dinosaurs.

Is your problem with the, "practical use in applied science for the Darwinian interpretation of the history of life on earth" a dislike for the fact that birds evolved from dinosaurs because you can't make a quick buck off the fact that birds evolved from dinosaurs?

Have you been drinking?

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Sarah Bellum
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Message 1345 of 1371 (860029)
08-05-2019 10:26 AM
Reply to: Message 1344 by Dredge
08-05-2019 3:37 AM


Maybe if I did drink before reading your posts they would look a bit less inane?

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AZPaul3
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Message 1346 of 1371 (860052)
08-05-2019 11:13 AM
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08-05-2019 3:32 AM


Re: It tells us who we are.
… otherwise known as science-fiction and superstition.

So say the reality challenged.


Eschew obfuscation. Habituate elucidation.

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ringo
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Message 1347 of 1371 (860070)
08-05-2019 12:05 PM
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08-05-2019 3:32 AM


Re: It tells us who we are.
Dredge writes:

… otherwise known as science-fiction and superstition.


I wonder what science fiction is like to somebody who actually believes in spooks and miracles.

"Come all of you cowboys and don't ever run
As long as there's bullets in both of your guns"
-- Woody Guthrie

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RAZD
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Message 1348 of 1371 (860071)
08-05-2019 12:07 PM
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08-05-2019 12:05 PM


Re: It tells us who we are.
alternative fiction?


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Message 1349 of 1371 (860078)
08-05-2019 12:41 PM
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08-05-2019 12:05 PM


Re: It tells us who we are.
I wonder what science fiction is like to somebody who actually believes in spooks and miracles.

Apparently their version of science fiction involves things like gigantic geologic columns and swarms of Universal Common Ancestors and horrifying tales of self-replicating peptides.

Edited by AZPaul3, : No reason given.

Edited by AZPaul3, : No reason given.


Eschew obfuscation. Habituate elucidation.

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RAZD
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Message 1350 of 1371 (860194)
08-06-2019 7:38 AM
Reply to: Message 1341 by Dredge
08-03-2019 12:09 AM


Re: It tells us who we are.
OOPS you dodged again ...

Be specific - give me a specific example of how the neo-Darwinian explanation for the history of life on earth has provided a practical use in applied science.

It tells us who we are ...

... What does that tell us about "who we are"?

See if you can figure that out here ... you have the relevant information. Call it an exercise in education.

You have the all necessary relevant information.

Enjoy


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