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Phat
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Message 16 of 92 (845339)
12-14-2018 12:19 PM
Reply to: Message 15 by ringo
12-14-2018 12:18 PM


Re: Ringo Targets All Of Us
To be more precise, I think we are talking Genesis 1:1...but I'll ask ICANT.

Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. –RC Sproul
"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." –Mark Twain "
~"If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith

You can "get answers" by watching the ducks. That doesn't mean the answers are coming from them.~Ringo

Subjectivism may very well undermine Christianity.
In the same way that "allowing people to choose what they want to be when they grow up" undermines communism.
~Stile


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ringo
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Message 17 of 92 (845340)
12-14-2018 12:23 PM
Reply to: Message 16 by Phat
12-14-2018 12:19 PM


Re: Ringo Targets All Of Us
Phat writes:

To be more precise, I think we are talking Genesis 1:1...but I'll ask ICANT.


I don't separate Genesis 1:1 from the rest of the chapter any more than I separate, "Once upon a time there were three bears," from the rest of that story.

And our geese will blot out the sun.

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Phat
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Message 18 of 92 (845341)
12-14-2018 12:27 PM
Reply to: Message 17 by ringo
12-14-2018 12:23 PM


Re: Ringo Targets All Of Us
I do. I have no problem believing that God exists and has communion through Jesus Christ to whosoever accepts Him. I do have issues/questions with the rest of the book. If this gets me booted out of the club, I suppose im as lost as the rest of you.

Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. –RC Sproul
"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." –Mark Twain "
~"If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith

You can "get answers" by watching the ducks. That doesn't mean the answers are coming from them.~Ringo

Subjectivism may very well undermine Christianity.
In the same way that "allowing people to choose what they want to be when they grow up" undermines communism.
~Stile


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ringo
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Message 19 of 92 (845343)
12-14-2018 12:37 PM
Reply to: Message 18 by Phat
12-14-2018 12:27 PM


Re: Ringo Targets All Of Us
Phat writes:

I do have issues/questions with the rest of the book.


Yes, that's where you go wrong. If you're going to pick and choose the parts you like, you might as well make up the whole thing from scratch.

Phat writes:

If this gets me booted out of the club, I suppose im as lost as the rest of you.


It's easy to get lost if you pick and choose the parts of the map that you like.

And our geese will blot out the sun.

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Phat
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Message 20 of 92 (845344)
12-14-2018 12:45 PM
Reply to: Message 19 by ringo
12-14-2018 12:37 PM


Re: Ringo Targets All Of Us
I believe that God exists and has always existed. I believe that He sent His son as a means to reconcile/relate to humans.

Jesus makes God approachable.

. If you're going to pick and choose the parts you like, you might as well make up the whole thing from scratch.
The bottom line is this:

Is God a product of the human mind or did He initially create it?

If you are a Deist you might claim that He created the matter and let the natural processes carry on from that point.

What does a skeptic like you believe? Is there a Creator of all seen and unseen. Yes or No.


Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. –RC Sproul
"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." –Mark Twain "
~"If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith

You can "get answers" by watching the ducks. That doesn't mean the answers are coming from them.~Ringo

Subjectivism may very well undermine Christianity.
In the same way that "allowing people to choose what they want to be when they grow up" undermines communism.
~Stile


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ICANT
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Message 21 of 92 (845345)
12-14-2018 12:47 PM
Reply to: Message 9 by Tangle
12-13-2018 4:23 PM


Re: Tangles Comment
Hi Tangle

Tangle writes:

I know, the way it's set up it's going to be a horrible thing to watch. Poor old Phat doesn't stand a chance, the Sharman will feed him his own soul and Phat will thank him for it.

I will answer any question Phat asks me.

I have done so in the past and will now and in the future.

I will even answer your questions.

As far as me converting Phat or you that is not my job. My job as Pastor is to preach the gospel. The listeners then choose to do with it whatever they want to do.

But as far as my journey here I am here to gather information. Which you have contributed very little unless I want to use your snide remarks, which you have plenty of.

God Bless,


"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."

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ringo
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Message 22 of 92 (845347)
12-14-2018 12:50 PM
Reply to: Message 20 by Phat
12-14-2018 12:45 PM


Re: Ringo Targets All Of Us
Phat writes:

What does a skeptic like you believe? Is there a Creator of all seen and unseen. Yes or No.


There's no reason to think there is.

And our geese will blot out the sun.

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Phat
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Message 23 of 92 (845349)
12-14-2018 1:01 PM
Reply to: Message 22 by ringo
12-14-2018 12:50 PM


Re: Ringo Targets All Of Us
I didnt ask for a reason.

Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. –RC Sproul
"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." –Mark Twain "
~"If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith

You can "get answers" by watching the ducks. That doesn't mean the answers are coming from them.~Ringo

Subjectivism may very well undermine Christianity.
In the same way that "allowing people to choose what they want to be when they grow up" undermines communism.
~Stile


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ringo
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Message 24 of 92 (845350)
12-14-2018 1:03 PM
Reply to: Message 23 by Phat
12-14-2018 1:01 PM


Re: Ringo Targets All Of Us
Phat writes:

I didnt ask for a reason.


Then it isn't a reasonable question.

And our geese will blot out the sun.

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Tangle
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Message 25 of 92 (845351)
12-14-2018 1:25 PM
Reply to: Message 21 by ICANT
12-14-2018 12:47 PM


Re: Tangles Comment
ICANT writes:

As far as me converting Phat or you that is not my job.

Phat is already a convert.

But as far as my journey here I am here to gather information. Which you have contributed very little unless I want to use your snide remarks, which you have plenty of.

You are not here to gather information, you're here to preach. The information you have been provided with you've ignored.

It's been amusing watching you wade out of your depth attempting to reconcile genesis with big physics. You've made a lot of silly statements about what scientists are thinking about the universe. You believe you have an understanding of what science is saying yet you don't even understand enough to understand that you know virtually nothing. The understanding is mathematical, not verbal, you can not even start to understand what is being discovered yet you like to think that you can. You're writing a book about it! That should be a hoot.

I have given you an example of a modern hypothesis which indicates that the universe may have always existed. I gave you the actual published research paper, yet you didn't read it did you?

I have some sympathy because it's totally incomprehensible to someone like you - and me - without that level of mathematical ability. Yet you think you can have an opinion; my are you self-important and all knowing! You may impress your congregation Pastor, but I'm afraid you have no clothes. I suppose that comes with the territory.


Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. I am Mancunian. I am Brum. I am London.I am Finland. Soy Barcelona

"Life, don't talk to me about life" - Marvin the Paranoid Android

"Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.
Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved."
- Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.


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ICANT
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Message 26 of 92 (845353)
12-14-2018 2:00 PM
Reply to: Message 11 by Phat
12-14-2018 11:48 AM


Re: Birds Of A Feather
Hi Phat,

Phat writes:

Matthew 25:31

Since Matthew 25:31 suites what ringo wants to believe there is no scripture more important than that particular one.

There is not going to be 1 born again child of God on earth at the time of the judgment of the nations. They are already in heaven.

God made a promise to the nations that helped the descendants of Abraham. That promise will be fulfilled in the following verses of Matthew 25:31-46 when the nations that have helped the descendants of Abraham will be allowed to go into the 1000 year reign of Christ on the earth.

God Bless,


"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."

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ICANT
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Message 27 of 92 (845354)
12-14-2018 2:35 PM
Reply to: Message 25 by Tangle
12-14-2018 1:25 PM


Re: Tangles Comment
Hi Tangle

Tangle writes:

Phat is already a convert.

I didn't have anything to do with converting Phat or anyone else that I have ever preached too.

The Holy Spirit has to do the converting. I had what I thought was converts but I found out that when I converted someone against their will that they were unconverted still. So I can't convert anyone.

Tangle writes:

You are not here to gather information,

Then I have wasted a lot of space on several hard drives.

Tangle writes:

you're here to preach.

OK let me preach a little and see if you still think I have been preaching. I am going to make this a one on one sermon using Tangle as the object of the message.

Tangle according to your conversations you are as lost and hopeless as anyone I have ever come in contact with.

quote:
Romans 3:23 For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God;

Tangle you have come short of the glory of God. Because you are lost and doomed for a devils hell if you don't accept Jesus Christ as your savior.

quote:
Romans 6:23 For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.

Tangle the wages of that sin is death.
But you can have life eternal if you so desire or you can spend eternity in a devils hell, it is up to you.

quote:
John 3:16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.

3:17 For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved.

3:18 He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.


God loved you.

God the Son died for you so that you do not have to go to hell.

Verse 18 tells you that the reason you are lost and doomed to a devils hell is because you have not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God. There is no other sin that will put a person in hell.

But rest assured that if you die without trusting in the death on the cross for your sins and that after 3 days in the tomb the resurrection from the grave of Jesus Christ (God in the flesh) that when you stand before Jesus at the Great White Throne judgment you will hear Him say depart from me ye worker of iniquity I never knew you.

That is the message I preach every time I get in the pulpit except on Wednesday nights when we have a Bible study verse by verse. Anything else is just giving instructions on what you are supposed to do after being born again.

Hope you enjoyed the preaching.

God Bless,


"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."

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ICANT
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Message 28 of 92 (845355)
12-14-2018 2:43 PM
Reply to: Message 25 by Tangle
12-14-2018 1:25 PM


Re: Tangles Comment
Hi Tangle

Tangle writes:

I have given you an example of a modern hypothesis which indicates that the universe may have always existed. I gave you the actual published research paper, yet you didn't read it did you?

Yes I read it and many other similar to it.

I also presented that according to the law of entropy the universe could not be eternal according to science.

If you disagree show me were the law of entropy can be dispensed with.

God Bless,


"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."

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Tangle
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Message 29 of 92 (845356)
12-14-2018 4:06 PM
Reply to: Message 27 by ICANT
12-14-2018 2:35 PM


Re: Tangles Comment
ICANT writes:

I didn't have anything to do with converting Phat

I didn't say that you did. You're preaching to the converted.

The Holy Spvirit has to do the converting. I had what I thought was converts but I found out that when I converted someone against their will that they were unconverted still. So I can't convert

And yet you send missionaries out to do just that.

Then I have wasted a lot of space on several hard drives.

All the evidence so far seems to confirm it.

Tangle according to your conversations you are as lost and hopeless as anyone I have ever come in contact with etc etc etc

I guess you don't meet many people who answer back in your life do you? We're supposed to fall to our knees and shout hallelujah or amen or some other crap. Sorry Chuck I've seen too many charlatans like you to be impressed by your brand of insanity.

The superstitious nonsense you spout has corrupted minds for generation but luckily you and your kind are dying out and this aberrant crap is dying with you. Tragically, you'll take some with you before you go.


Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. I am Mancunian. I am Brum. I am London.I am Finland. Soy Barcelona

"Life, don't talk to me about life" - Marvin the Paranoid Android

"Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.
Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved."
- Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.


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Tangle
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Message 30 of 92 (845358)
12-14-2018 4:20 PM
Reply to: Message 28 by ICANT
12-14-2018 2:43 PM


Re: Tangles Comment
CANT writes:

Yes I read it and many other similar to it.

If you had you wouldn't be talking the nonsense that you're talking. (And of course you can't possibly understand it.)

I also presented that according to the law of entropy the universe could not be eternal according to science.

You presented! The balls of the man. You haven't the faintest idea what science is, what it does or how it does it. Not the faintest. Enlighten us, what are your scientific qualification? How far through school did you get with your mathematics?

Edited by Tangle, : No reason given.


Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. I am Mancunian. I am Brum. I am London.I am Finland. Soy Barcelona

"Life, don't talk to me about life" - Marvin the Paranoid Android

"Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.
Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved."
- Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.


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