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Michael MD
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Message 1 of 126 (885430)
04-11-2021 12:03 PM


My Creation Model is based on a theory of a universal ether that underlies the quantum/atomic processes observable to us. Currently, there is a growing body of dissident physics theorists who claim that consensus physics is in error in holding that such an ether does not exist. -Here, I will not try to go into all the aspects of this theoretical disconnect, but rather I will just present my ether-based model of creation.

In my Model, any ether would have to be universal, by its very nature, and it would have had to originate according to a logical sequence of events. I propose that what came first was universal space, a "pure" space, free from everything else, such as forces. Thus, it could have been extremely self-compatible, such that small "localities" within it were reciprocally oscillating. These localities would have probably been of a very tiny size, and conceivably ultimately-minuscule ("point-like.") -Then, "points" adjacent to each other underwent oscillatory fatigue, and formed "Yin and Yang" couplets. (Oscillatory fatigue is a known process. It occurs in metals.) -This transition broke the perfect symmetry of oscillation, so that now there were ultimately-rarified ("elemental") point-like, or "etheric," units, which were now independently vibrating, rather than reciprocally oscillating.

However, this transition would not have been uniform and simultaneous throughout space. Now there were, here and there, couplet-units which would have tended to merge, as their mutual matching vibrations contacted and combined with each other. (The idea here would be that the non-uniformity of this first-causal process would have included some areas where the motion of various units happened to be relatively linear, which would have accelerated the alignments of different units, causing the units to entrain with each other, producing larger and larger units, at first "etheroidal," and then up to the size-scale of quantum units and atoms.

At this point., there would have been multiple fluxes of energy units moving in different directions. Like-to-like resonances would have tended to form confluences, or "islands," where extremely-intense, extremely-rarified, and complex energic processes occurred. Within such an "island," the combinations of energy units could even have produced quantization, and solid moieties. If one such moiety, or body, happened to be roundish in shape (or"cosmic egg" like), then any energic interactions of the body's outer surface with the etheric radiations in its surroundings, which happened to be tangential, could have resulted in reverberating circuits of energy around the body, which then could have produced a sapient Entity (ies).

Eventually, the overall ongoing processes would have brought about an "ether macrocosm." However, the effects of the transient type of magnetism of such a macrocosm upon any quantum bodies at such a quantized "island" would have made things unstable there, so it was decided to create a quantum macrocosm (our universe.) To accomplish this, electron/photons (the smallest and speediest quantum units) were projected, using the intense surrounding energies, toward a "virgin" ether region, causing the ether there to undergo a patterned, chain-reactional, transition to quantum units (as the electrons' motion through the ether aligned the vibrations of ether units, producing entrainments into larger units. (One effect of the electron/photon unit being used to create the universe would have been that its velocity (the speed of light) would have remained as the highest speed limit in the universe.)

Edited by Michael MD, : typographical error (I typed "than" instead of the intended word. "that."


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Message 2 of 126 (885431)
04-11-2021 12:48 PM
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04-11-2021 12:03 PM


Review Pending promotion
Welcome to EvC Michael. What do you define as a Creation Model?

And if promoted, which Forum would you prefer your argument to fit in? There are several directions you can go here.

Give me a bit of an idea.

Michael MD writes:

Eventually, the overall ongoing processes would have brought about an "ether macrocosm." However, the effects of the transient type of magnetism of such a macrocosm upon any quantum bodies at such a quantized "island" would have made things unstable there, so it was decided to create a quantum macrocosm (our universe.)

Sounds like a well thought out Sci Fi novel. Who is the character who decided to create this quantum macrocosm?

Do you want to learn from our peanut gallery of educated critically thinking minds or do you wish to challenge established science and propose an Intelligent Design or Faith Based argument? Be prepared to be challenged. Are you ready for intense scrutiny or do you want more of an opportunity to be heard? Finally, are you proposing a hypothetical story? If so, this bunch around here demands evidence. Perhaps one of our other administrators can weigh in on your topic. I am not inclined to promote without getting to know you a bit first. Stick around, though. We love new members.

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Message 3 of 126 (885432)
04-12-2021 11:51 AM
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04-11-2021 12:48 PM


Re: Review Pending promotion
My forum preference would be the Cosmology and Big Bang Forum.

I would thoroughly welcome any and all challenges. I have studied the scientific theoretic aspects that went into this Creation Model for years.

To be completely informative about how I arrived at my Model, I have been doing cryptographic research into a putatively-otherworldly set of codes in a historical Document (The Declaration of Independence), which I claim outlines "inside" but valid basic information needed to derive such a wide-ranging, yet consistently logical, cosmic model.

Michael Anteski (MD)


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Message 4 of 126 (885433)
04-12-2021 2:08 PM
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04-12-2021 11:51 AM


Re: Review Pending promotion
Michael MD writes:

I would thoroughly welcome any and all challenges. I have studied the scientific theoretic aspects that went into this Creation Model for years.

I noticed. I saw you debating this same thing way back in 1997 at this forum.

I hope you have a thick skin, take none of the comments personally, and hang in here and do not run away.

If you can agree to that, I will give you your shot. I will put you in Is It Science?


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Message 5 of 126 (885435)
04-12-2021 2:08 PM


Thread Copied from Proposed New Topics Forum
Thread copied here from the An Ether-Based Creation Model thread in the Proposed New Topics forum.

  
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Message 6 of 126 (885437)
04-12-2021 3:30 PM
Reply to: Message 1 by Michael MD
04-11-2021 12:03 PM


so it was decided to create a quantum macrocosm (our universe.)

Yeah, those bloody quantum particles. Forever unionising and forming committees to decide things. They’re a pain in the arse !


Could there be any greater conceit, than for someone to believe that the universe has to be simple enough for them to be able to understand it ?

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Message 7 of 126 (885438)
04-12-2021 3:34 PM
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04-11-2021 12:03 PM


Yeah, when I was about five I had my tonsils taken out. They used ether for anesthesia. It made me hallucinate too.

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Message 8 of 126 (885440)
04-12-2021 3:46 PM


How does crap like this get promoted?
quote:
I have been doing cryptographic research into a putatively-otherworldly set of codes in a historical Document (The Declaration of Independence), which I claim outlines "inside" but valid basic information needed to derive such a wide-ranging, yet consistently logical, cosmic model.

Phat??????????????????????????????

Have you absolutely no sense of discernment?


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Message 9 of 126 (885442)
04-12-2021 3:55 PM
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04-12-2021 3:46 PM


Re: How does crap like this get promoted?
EvC is not some picture perfect evidence based science class. As you know, pop culture rules the day. My instincts tell me that this guy has a pet theory and is most definitely alternative to the critical thought science model. My hope was that if he has the discipline to put up with addressing (and fending off) the arguments of people such as you that the topic has a decent chance of providing entertainment as well as information.

Have you ever noticed how slow EvC is these days? Have you ever seen many new members? Have you ever noticed that we are almost a closed group that rehashes the same arguments over and over with each other, as well as sharing a few jokes?

I gave Michael MD a chance, jar. Something you would never do. You would simply see him as an opportunity to flaunt your ego and tell him how ridiculous his theories are. And what good does that do anyone?


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“…far from science having buried God, not only do the results of science point towards his existence, but the scientific enterprise itself is validated by his existence.”- Dr.John Lennox

“The whole war between the atheist and the theist comes down to this: the atheist believes a 'what' created the universe; the theist believes a 'who' created the universe.”
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“The most difficult subjects can be explained to the most slow-witted man if he has not formed any idea of them already; but the simplest thing cannot be made clear to the most intelligent man if he is firmly persuaded that he knows already, without a shadow of a doubt, what is laid before him.” — Leo Tolstoy, The Kingdom of God is Within You
(1894).


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Message 10 of 126 (885443)
04-12-2021 4:06 PM
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04-12-2021 3:55 PM


Re: How does crap like this get promoted?
Phat writes:

You would simply see him as an opportunity to flaunt your ego and tell him how ridiculous his theories are. And what good does that do anyone?

No Phat, I would do just as I have in this thread and simply ignored him.

It is YOU that I expected to have more sense.


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Message 11 of 126 (885444)
04-12-2021 5:04 PM
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04-11-2021 12:03 PM


Stop and smell the aether
Currently, there is a growing body of dissident physics theorists who claim that consensus physics is in error in holding that such an ether does not exist.

Yeah, you said that but when I went looking there seem to be a scattering of lone wolves out there with every kind of aether theory without support even from fellow travelers. Phat’s entry Dr. Glenn Borchardt and Dan A. Davidson Aetheric Energy Physics of Dan A Davidson's Shape Power having a few of them each. No growing body of dissidents is evident. There may not be interest from mainstream cosmology because there appears to be no real model, as in a set of equations that describes the detailed operations and effects of this aether. All are inconsistent between the various speculations. I can’t see a consensus even among the few aether advocates as to what an aether is supposed to be. Another quantum field with a boson? Variation on the quantum foam? Some mysterious appeal to majik?

The first thing you guys need to do is show by some Michelson/Morley-type experiments that an aether exists. No, no, the first thing you guys need to do is figure out what the hell you’re talking about because right now none of you seem to. Looks like every speculated aether is different.

You guys don’t know, you can’t explain it to the rest of us, and we’re supposed to accept this as a replacement for QED? I don’t think that’s going to happen.

As for the rest of your work … well it is unique, I’ll give you that.

I propose that what came first was universal space, a "pure" space, free from everything else, such as forces. Thus, it could have been extremely self-compatible, such that small "localities" within it were reciprocally oscillating.

That first part is called a de Sitter space.

That second sentence is just a jumble of buzzwords. What’s it supposed to mean?

In fact, the remainder of your post is just too far under the radar to comprehend.

Can you be more specific with …

- small "localities" within, reciprocally oscillating. What’s a locality? In this de Sitter space what is oscillating? What is reciprocating? Momentum? Energy? What controls the periodicity?

- How can oscillatory fatigue be experienced by an undefined immaterial field?

- What perfect symmetry of oscillation? Define perfect? How was this perfection initially achieved?

- Are you talking a scalar field? (I sure hope so.)

And that is just the beginning. I don’t know what any of this stuff means to you because right now none of it makes any sense to me. It’s a muddle.

Right now this is just ignorant nutjob science. I need a lot clearer take on the concepts you are using.

Edited by AZPaul3, : No reason given.


Eschew obfuscation. Habituate elucidation.

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Message 12 of 126 (885447)
04-12-2021 7:19 PM
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04-12-2021 3:46 PM


Re: How does crap like this get promoted?

In the Beginning, Bong...
- Genius 1:1

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Message 13 of 126 (885448)
04-12-2021 7:37 PM
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04-12-2021 7:19 PM


Re: How does crap like this get promoted?
Ahh, Capt? There's no water in it and it's not lit. You should probably fix that.

Eschew obfuscation. Habituate elucidation.

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Message 14 of 126 (885449)
04-12-2021 9:55 PM
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04-12-2021 7:37 PM


Re: How does crap like this get promoted?
Ah. What you fail to understand is that the bong has been filled with pure space, and the bowl loaded with localities. The localities then reciprocally oscillate through the pure space and deliver the user a large, cool hit of Universal Ether Theory.

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Message 15 of 126 (885450)
04-12-2021 10:52 PM
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04-12-2021 9:55 PM


Re: How does crap like this get promoted?
I can appreciate that, Capt, but I still think it needs some Traditional Herbal Concoctions in the bowl. It's more fun that way. Fattening, but fun.

Eschew obfuscation. Habituate elucidation.

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