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Topic: What you want to know about Christ.
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jar
Member (Idle past 423 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: 04-20-2004
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Message 16 of 300 (428273)
10-15-2007 6:50 PM
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Reply to: Message 14 by nator
10-15-2007 6:10 PM
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Before, during and after. The term is used both for the Day and Meal, the Seder, which is what was being celebrated at the "Last Supper" and also for the week long Khag Ha'Matsot, Festival of the Unleavened.
Aslan is not a Tame Lion
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jar
Member (Idle past 423 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: 04-20-2004
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Message 17 of 300 (428275)
10-15-2007 7:16 PM
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Reply to: Message 15 by bluegenes
10-15-2007 6:48 PM
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No. He would not. While he certainly understood the symbology and the purpose of the Sabbath, he also looked at it within reason as opposed to a legalistic manner.
Aslan is not a Tame Lion
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jar
Member (Idle past 423 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: 04-20-2004
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Message 19 of 300 (428277)
10-15-2007 7:33 PM
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Reply to: Message 18 by bluegenes
10-15-2007 7:27 PM
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So Moses (and the OT God?) were wrong, then. Was Moses a false "prophet" perhaps, if prophet is the right word? No. The stories all reflect the understandings of a given era. You also need to understand that there is not one Old Testament God but many. The Bible is a book written by men and reflects the mores of their era.
Aslan is not a Tame Lion
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jar
Member (Idle past 423 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: 04-20-2004
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Message 21 of 300 (428285)
10-15-2007 8:17 PM
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Reply to: Message 20 by bluegenes
10-15-2007 8:14 PM
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But your last sentence is something any non-believer who's read the Bible would agree with, obviously. Any honest believer as well.
Aslan is not a Tame Lion
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jar
Member (Idle past 423 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: 04-20-2004
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Message 52 of 300 (428378)
10-16-2007 9:24 AM
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Reply to: Message 31 by gen
10-16-2007 6:31 AM
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On GOD or God's
Learn to read. Exodus 20:3 writes: You shall have no other gods before me. No other gods before me. That means that the Israelites could not place the worship of one of the other gods ahead of YWHW. But the stories in the Bible are not about GOD as much as about how the people at a given time viewed God. What you see is not GOD but rather a whole collection of Gods dependent on the sophistication and culture of whoever was writing that story.
Aslan is not a Tame Lion
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jar
Member (Idle past 423 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: 04-20-2004
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Message 53 of 300 (428416)
10-16-2007 11:27 AM
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Reply to: Message 27 by gen
10-16-2007 5:56 AM
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Re: Purpose
'All Scripture is God-breathed and is useful for teaching, rebuking, correcting, and training in righteousness.' -2 Timothy 3:16 Of course that is not talking about "The Bible" which beside the fact that there is no such thing as "The Bible", didn't even exist at the time that was written.
Aslan is not a Tame Lion
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jar
Member (Idle past 423 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: 04-20-2004
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Message 66 of 300 (428706)
10-17-2007 11:08 AM
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Reply to: Message 65 by Fosdick
10-17-2007 11:01 AM
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Re: Jesus's circumcision
Just curious: Are there any references in the Bible to Jesus's circumcision? Certainly. Luke 2:21
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21On the eighth day, when it was time to circumcise him, he was named Jesus, the name the angel had given him before he had been conceived.
Aslan is not a Tame Lion
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jar
Member (Idle past 423 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: 04-20-2004
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Message 76 of 300 (428733)
10-17-2007 12:47 PM
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Reply to: Message 75 by Fosdick
10-17-2007 12:45 PM
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Re: Jesus's circumcision
Then be disappointed.
Aslan is not a Tame Lion
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jar
Member (Idle past 423 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: 04-20-2004
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Message 79 of 300 (428751)
10-17-2007 2:48 PM
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Reply to: Message 78 by Fosdick
10-17-2007 2:44 PM
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Re: Jesus's circumcision
As long as you are happy.
Aslan is not a Tame Lion
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jar
Member (Idle past 423 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: 04-20-2004
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Message 139 of 300 (429584)
10-20-2007 10:13 PM
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Reply to: Message 138 by gen
10-20-2007 10:05 PM
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Re: Purpose
Actually it refers to far more than the Torah, including many books that did not make it into any Canon. Scripture refers to any writings that are inspired.
Aslan is not a Tame Lion
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jar
Member (Idle past 423 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: 04-20-2004
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Message 140 of 300 (429586)
10-20-2007 10:18 PM
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Reply to: Message 137 by gen
10-20-2007 10:03 PM
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Re: On GOD or God's
The thing is, God was writing the story. Well it is pretty obvious that that is simply false since there is not even one unique collection of books that are recognized as "The Bible". See The Bible was NOT man made, it was Godly made. It is also pretty obvious since it contains many contradictions and outright falsehoods that it is not written by God or that God is a liar.
Aslan is not a Tame Lion
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jar
Member (Idle past 423 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: 04-20-2004
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Message 143 of 300 (429690)
10-21-2007 11:25 AM
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Reply to: Message 134 by gen
10-20-2007 9:32 PM
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On the difference between Faith and Knowledge
True. But they are still both faith. You are still believing what someone has told you if you have not travelled around the world. I'm sorry but that is bullshit. It is possible to determine that the earth is close to spherical without traveling around it, and only those who are Willfully Ignorant would even make such a claim. The knowledge that the world is a sphere and even its diameter were conclusions based on evidence and proven hundreds of years before Jesus lived. Please try not to make such utterly silly assertions that only make Christians look really stupid.
Aslan is not a Tame Lion
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jar
Member (Idle past 423 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: 04-20-2004
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Message 195 of 300 (430928)
10-28-2007 11:25 AM
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Reply to: Message 193 by iano
10-27-2007 9:43 PM
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Re: I'll try you
The ability of the person "to tell" lies in Gods ability to convince them over any pretenders ability to convince them of something else. So something convinced someone. How does the person discriminate between being convinced by God or convinced by some other critter or just plain delusion?
Aslan is not a Tame Lion
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jar
Member (Idle past 423 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: 04-20-2004
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Message 213 of 300 (431326)
10-30-2007 2:22 PM
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Reply to: Message 212 by Brian
10-30-2007 12:31 PM
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Not Fair Brian
Here you are pulling in extra-biblical sources on somebody who has not yet even read the Bible. No Fair!
Aslan is not a Tame Lion
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jar
Member (Idle past 423 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: 04-20-2004
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Message 219 of 300 (431359)
10-30-2007 5:26 PM
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Reply to: Message 218 by iano
10-30-2007 5:07 PM
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Re: I'll try you
It is the work of God, specifically the Holy Spirit to activate that in the attempt to convince them. But that tells us nothing. The question is, "How do you tell that it is God (or in your current example the Holy Spirit) that is trying to convince them? What would distinguish the Holy Spirit from some Demiurge?
Aslan is not a Tame Lion
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