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Buzsaw
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Message 280 of 300 (328235)
07-02-2006 9:40 AM


Re: Jar On Salvation
Loving God and Neighbor is important. However what I've never understood about Jar on salvation is how he can claim Christianity's salvation all the while rejecting the emphatic words of Jesus himself, the Christ of Christianity and his desciples regarding the need of Christ in salvation. For example, I assume that by most of what I've read on Jar on salvation that he rejects most of the NT scriptures noted here:

www.jesussite.com/plan.htm


BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW

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Buzsaw
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Message 282 of 300 (328264)
07-02-2006 11:58 AM
Reply to: Message 281 by jar
07-02-2006 9:55 AM


Re: Jar On Salvation
1. But your problem is that the context of which these verses come from all support them as stated for what they appear to say.

2. I don't think a thread is warranted. I know your usual responses but they never answer this problem of what to do with the words and clear teachings of Jesus and his apostles on the doctrine of salvation. So far as I have observed you simply sweep them under the proverbial rug or pass them off as metaphoric myth. I'm not sure that this treatment of the words of the Christ himself of Christianity and his apostles will suffice for anyone in the judgment. As in the OT, some sacrificial atonement was required for the atonement of the sins of mankind (i.e. salvation) and an aknowledgement and applications of that atonement required by the people who desired it.

3. The clear doctinal teaching of the role of works in the NT is that the works are the product of the new life in Christ via the Holy Spirit which is the spirit of Jesus Christ when we receive him as lord and savior of our lives. For example, "If any man be in Christ he is a new creature. Old things are past away and see, all things are become new." I Corinthians 5:17 Our love of God and how we treat others is all enhanced by this salvation experience of receiving the spirit of Christ into our being.


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Buzsaw
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Message 295 of 300 (328360)
07-02-2006 9:55 PM
Reply to: Message 284 by ringo
07-02-2006 12:39 PM


Re: Jar On Salvation
Ringo writes:

Then it would behove somebody on the "fundamentalist" side to discuss those words.

All that is necessary is to read them, hear them and keep them as written. The same goes with the prophecies according to Revelation 1:3.


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