Racist?

Well, we need to consider the following. The English that came to this country were themselves a mongrelation of French, Anglo, Saxon, German, Italian, Oriental, Russian, and others. And the French component of that mongrelation was itself a mongrelation of English, Italian, Oriental, German, African, Semitic, Tibetan, and others. And the German component of that was a mongrelation and so forth. Even the Native American population before the rest of us got here to really ball things up was a mongrelation of Asian, Oriental, Aztec, Polynesian, with some Norse thrown in there from somewhere.The reason for this is that curious aspect of human psychology that oversees such things. We like to screw a lot.But I digress. The upshot being that the entire population of the US, 100%, is an amalgamation of mongrelated lineages and as such we are all entitled to protected minority status. I went to my mail box but did not find my Minority Citizen Compensation check. I'll look again tomorrow.

I had a class in Human Races in graduate school.And it is even more complex than you point out. Most racial classifications rely on visible traits, but there are the invisible traits as well. Blood types, fingerprint patterns, and a ton of other traits can also be used to classify people.And when you go back into antiquity, you run into another problem: most of the visible traits are environmentally linked. Given a few tens of thousands of years skin color, nasal shape, hair form and a lot of other traits will change to better match the environment. That is why you have dark skinned people of short stature in at least three areas of the world--they share a similar environment even though they are not closely related.Then to make it even more fun, you can track descent groups while ignoring the visible traits. When you play with genetics you can see who really is related to who, and when the various divisions occurred.

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Religious belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge.

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if they call themselves that, why can't I?

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Because a term used by a member of the group that it is an insult against carries a different tone than it being used by a member outside of that group.In the former case, it is an indicator of "we." In the latter case, it is an indicator of "you" (or "they"). When someone in the group uses it, the trust dynamic is that it most likely isn't being used in a derogatory fashion. When someone outside the group uses it, the trust dynamic is that it is most likely is being used in a derogatory fashion.It's the same concept regarding terms of familiarity. The terms of endearment that your beloved can get away with calling you don't mean the same when coming from someone else. They tend to be regarded as sarcastic and/or condescending. When your beloved says, "Sweetie, honey, baby, pussycat," it doesn't mean the same thing as when the used car salesmen lets loose with that phrase.This is more easily seen in languages that have the formal and familiar versions of "you." The use of the familiar implies a social relationship. To get away with using "nigger" requires that a social background must be established to support the use of the word. It is difficult for someone outside the group to demonstrate that social background in general.

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Thank you for your submission to Science. Your paper was reviewed by a jury of seventh graders so that they could look for balance and to allow them to make up their own minds. We are sorry to say that they found your paper "bogus," specifically describing the section on the laboratory work "boring." We regret that we will be unable to publish your work at this time.

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Minds are like parachutes. Just because you've lost yours doesn't mean you can use mine.

Too right! Yes, and that's where it gets really interesting.Here's a diagram showing the distribution of one interesting Y chromosome Haplogroup. The mutation is thought to have arisen about 18,600 years ago in North-eastern Africa. (Click to enlarge). If we put together a group with a couple of people from each country covered here who are in the E-M78 Haplogroup, it would appear to be a very multiracial group. However, for one genetic characteristic, we could call them a family with a common male ancestor less than 20,000 years ago.We will all be in unlikely looking groups if we are classified by certain characteristics. This is one of the reasons that "race" is a sort of nebulous concept biologically speaking. Haplogroup E-M78

Bingo. I fully agree That is another point, in my point that the term race, is not in any true sense, definable. Edited by bluescat48, : quote wouldn't work does now

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There is no better love between 2 people than mutual respect for each other WT Young, 2002Who gave anyone the authority to call me an authority on anything. WT Young, 1969Since Evolution is only ~90% correct it should be thrown out and replaced by Creation which has even a lower % of correctness. W T Young, 2008

Yes, let's use blood types as races. If that were the case my 3 siblings & I would be of different races:Bill (Me) B-
Michael (Brother) A-
Sandy (Sister) O-
Katey (sister) AB-Silly but again one cannot use just one point, but it shows the idiocy of what some people call races.Edited by bluescat48, : what esle my typppinngEdited by bluescat48, : quote wouldn't work does now

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There is no better love between 2 people than mutual respect for each other WT Young, 2002Who gave anyone the authority to call me an authority on anything. WT Young, 1969Since Evolution is only ~90% correct it should be thrown out and replaced by Creation which has even a lower % of correctness. W T Young, 2008

Blood types did have regular worldwide clinal distributions prior to about AD 1500.Here is an article, with distribution maps, on the subject: Article

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Religious belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge.

So your parents were AO- and BO-.Either that or Sandy was adopted.That could be a new race classification. Adopted."And what race are you, Sir?""Oh, well, I'm an American rennie with a touch of French mongrel as amalgamated with a mongrelation of Semitic and German rennie.""Ah. You're adopted, then?""Yes."

Yes Mother was BO-, but Father was AO+Edited by bluescat48, : missing word

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There is no better love between 2 people than mutual respect for each other WT Young, 2002Who gave anyone the authority to call me an authority on anything. WT Young, 1969Since Evolution is only ~90% correct it should be thrown out and replaced by Creation which has even a lower % of correctness. W T Young, 2008

I think that one point when talking 'races' .. the genetic variation within a race is higher than it is between the various 'races'.

Almost all classical racial traits are found to have clinal distributions. However, the traits don't all have the same distributions.Most of those classic traits correlate more with climate and environment.Example: Pygmies and Negritos share a lot of classical traits but are only distantly related. They do, however, share quite similar environments.American Indians are somewhat different because of the smaller time frame, but already populations in South American rain forests are evolving to resemble groups in similar environments in other parts of the world.These classic traits are generally "plastic" and are independent of descent groups.

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Religious belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge.

It would be better to hate the actions, not the persons. we all have a belief that another person may not agree with.

Me too, but I wonder sometimes if some of his ideologies don't stem from what he thinks he is. It doesn't matter to me what color he is.

He calls himself black, and he acknowledges that society (racists included) call him black.

Agreed, those facts alone do not clear someone of being a racist. It would be pretty f'd up if I married a PR woman, AND I was a racist though. That's worse than just calling me a racist, lol. Excellent post!Of course I am part racist by definition I guess. But not to the extent that either you or I need to be called one. I am probably racist when it comes to muslims, especially after 911, and some other child hurts that happened to me. But I do my best to curb it, and do not act on those stupid feelings, or angers or hurts that I have towards the past. I give everyone a fresh chance. Everyone from a specific culture or race can't be the same, even if the majority are. So I won't act on that.If you shout out racial slurs in your car at someone who cut you off, you are not doing it because they were a specific race or nationality, you are doing it because they cut you off. They get the stereotypical racial comment, and it comes out cause you are mad at the time. Being mad makes you say things that you normally wouldn't say. It's mostly because we just grew up in a society where those kinds of words are always being used. On TV, in songs, by people. It just comes out. We tend to mimic or surroundings. It is tough to overcome that.I meet a lot of people in my line of work. I go into peoples houses, and crawl through all their stuff, and sort of get to know them. I see their stuff, smell their houses, see what's behind furniture, speak and deal with them, and get paid from them. You really see how a person is when it comes to money. There is a huge opportunity for me to let my racism shine when dealing with people. What I see is that people are not always like their stereotypes.
For instance, jews are not cheap, they are smart. I've never had a jew stiff me, and a hasidic jew gave me my first tip, $100. Best tip to date.
After 10 years of being in business, I've only been stiffed like 3 times, all Italians......and I'm mostly of Italian heritage.
Stupid guinea idiots. They all think they are Al Pacino, specially ones from Brooklyn....haha yea I guess I am a racist.