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Evlreala
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From: Portland, OR United States of America
Joined: 08-12-2009


Message 5 of 404 (566287)
06-24-2010 1:43 AM
Reply to: Message 2 by bluescat48
06-24-2010 12:48 AM


Re: Racist?
Forgive me if I am wrong, but the way I understand it, in order for one to be racist/a statement to be racist the person/statement has to be prejudiced against or for a race, nothing else qualifys.
I find your summary insulting on a multitude of levels.
We are not all the same, to claim so is an ignorant proposal.
Being 'color blind' is just another form if ignorance.

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Evlreala
Member (Idle past 3104 days)
Posts: 88
From: Portland, OR United States of America
Joined: 08-12-2009


Message 19 of 404 (566492)
06-24-2010 10:57 PM
Reply to: Message 6 by Dr Adequate
06-24-2010 1:58 AM


Re: Racist?
Feel free to prove me wrong.
With joy..
Before I go on, I feel the need to point out the irony of this statement. Later in your post, you attempt to point out a logical fallacy in one of my statements (and openly so), yet your first statement after agreeing to the proposed definition of "racism" is the most clear example of the argument from ignorance I have seen in a while.
Very well.. I can play the fallacy game too.
Fallacies commited in your reply: 1
argumentum ad ignorantiam
None of which you are apparently willing to mention.
Because my subjective rationality for my statement doesn't need to be mentioned as it is not part of my argument, it is simply an irrilevant opinion.
Do you wish me to explain my opinionated statement? I can..
Do you believe my opinion needs to be argued objectivly? If so, why?
If not, why bother pointing it out?
Fallacies commited in your reply: 2
Ad hominem (Poisoning the Well)
Non sequitur

Evlreala said:
We are not all the same, to claim so is an ignorant proposal.
Dr Adequate said:
And has nothing to do with what bluescat actually said.
bluescat said:
in other words if a person attaches a group name to any group of humans he is a racist.
To be a non-racist he would have to agree that all humans are the same, which they are Homo sapiens

Now.. I'm not seeing where your contention with my statement lies..
Care to point out where "To be a non-racist he would have to agree that all humans are the same, which they are Homo sapiens" is clairified to fit your views?
I freely admit, my understanding of things is certainly not absolute and I very well could be in error.. Simply stating so does nothing, where is the part I have missed?
Fallacies in your reply: 2
Non sequitor
Irrelevant conclusion

And would also be another complete non sequitur.
How? Explain how a colloquil slogan emphasizing celebrating diverisity of all people over ignoring differances is a non sequital statement in a discussion over ignoring diversity in favor of "agree that all humans are the same"?
Fallacies in your reply: 1
Irrelevant conclusion

I'm guessing that since you are so angry and irrational and incoherent on the subject of race, you're a racist. 'Cos no-one but a racist needs to be so irrational and incoherent about this subject.
1) I'm not angry. Remember what they say about assumptions... Any evedence to support your claim?
2) I fail to see how I am being irrational, do you have evidence to support your claim, or is it just conjecture?
3) Incoherent? Once again, I must ask if you have evedence to support your claim, or is it just conjecture? You seem able to understand my post just fine.. At least enough to complain about its context.
Now, the "coup de grace" based on (as of yet unsubstantiated) conjecture, and (also as of yet unsubstantiated)direct attacks on my character, you make a bad argument and conclude I must be a racist..
I'm going to assume this was meant either in jest (a sense of humor is always welcome, in my book) , malice ( childish and sad..), or somewhere between the two.. Because I honestly don't believe you would make such an idiotic argument in all seriousness.
All the same.. Your argument fails
Fallacies in your reply: 9
Irrelevant conclusion
Ad hominem (direct) x3
Ad hominem (Poisoning the Well) X2
Non sequitur
Strawman
red herring
I'm positive I've missed some.. mostly out of lack of caring..
Total fallacy count in post: 15
Feel free to suport your claims. =D

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Evlreala
Member (Idle past 3104 days)
Posts: 88
From: Portland, OR United States of America
Joined: 08-12-2009


Message 20 of 404 (566500)
06-25-2010 12:32 AM
Reply to: Message 14 by bluescat48
06-24-2010 10:36 AM


Re: Racist?
So in what way are humans different other than appearance and views?
Define views.
I shouldn't even address this question, its irrelevant. You might as well be asking whats the difference between a red and a green apple without mentioning color or taste. Remove enough characteristics and a house cat is the same exact thing as a clone of maryln monroe.
Some differences are..
cultural background
ethnic identities
biology (most common examples would be sickle cell anemia, twinning rates, and rate of genetic deformaties)
sexual selection
...Just off o the top of my head...
Despite your insistance that we ignore them, unique morphiological traits do exist in reality.

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Evlreala
Member (Idle past 3104 days)
Posts: 88
From: Portland, OR United States of America
Joined: 08-12-2009


Message 40 of 404 (566685)
06-25-2010 8:54 PM
Reply to: Message 22 by Dr Adequate
06-25-2010 5:04 AM


Re: Racist?

There is a difference between identifying fallacies and randomly naming them, and I would commend this difference to your study.
Clear ad hominem attack, instead of addressing the discussion you choose to attack my character as well as being a clear example of argument from ignorance.

None of which you are apparently willing to mention.
Non sequitur, your argument does not flow.
Ad hominem (Poisoning the Well), indirect ad hominem attack attacking my character rather then my argument.
For the record, you still havent addressed my questions.. Once again;
Do you wish me to explain my opinionated statement? I can..
Do you believe my opinion needs to be argued objectivly? If so, why?
If not, why bother pointing it out?

And has nothing to do with what bluescat actually said.
Non sequitor and irrelevant conclusion,I directly addresed the counter to my statement and have not been shown how the logic doesnt flow, your conclusion wasnt based on any complementary statements to back it up or even make an argument.
And would also be another complete non sequitur.
How? Explain how a colloquil slogan emphasizing celebrating diverisity of all people over ignoring differances is a non sequital statement in a discussion over ignoring diversity in favor of "agree that all humans are the same"?

Irrelevant conclusion
I'm guessing that since you are so angry and irrational and incoherent on the subject of race, you're a racist. 'Cos no-one but a racist needs to be so irrational and incoherent about this subject.
1) I'm not angry. Remember what they say about assumptions... Any evedence to support your claim?
2) I fail to see how I am being irrational, do you have evidence to support your claim, or is it just conjecture?
3) Incoherent? Once again, I must ask if you have evedence to support your claim, or is it just conjecture? You seem able to understand my post just fine.. At least enough to complain about its context.
Now, the "coup de grace" based on (as of yet unsubstantiated) conjecture, and (also as of yet unsubstantiated)direct attacks on my character, you make a bad argument and conclude I must be a racist..
Irrelevant conclusion
Ad hominem (direct) x3
Ad hominem (Poisoning the Well) X2
Non sequitur
Strawman
red herring
Really, these fallacies are pretty obvious, if you cant spend a moment to look, thats your issue.
Its appearant you're not interested in honest discussion, you seem more interested in just arguing for the sake of being insulting and petty. Good luck with that. Get back to me when you're done being small.
Best of luck!

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Evlreala
Member (Idle past 3104 days)
Posts: 88
From: Portland, OR United States of America
Joined: 08-12-2009


Message 41 of 404 (566686)
06-25-2010 9:00 PM
Reply to: Message 21 by bluescat48
06-25-2010 1:52 AM


Re: Racist?

But in no way do any of the above traits mean that they are any different. The same way that a Great Dane and a Poodle are different but still the same Canis domestica.
Yes.. Yes it does. I am differant from you. You are differant from me. We are differant from any other random joe on the street regardless of how we share the quality of being of the same species.
You fail on the falacy of division.
If you reply, I wont respond until monday (maybe) But I will respond.
Best wishes..

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